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[theme music playing]

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[music fades]

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Sharks, how about something sweet
before we begin the pitch?

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We've kept it on your side tables.

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[pleasant music playing]

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- We need to call for spoons.
- Jigar!

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We forgot to keep the spoons.

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Tissues, guys! Tissues!
We didn't keep tissues either.

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Their hands will get sticky!

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[Anupam laughs]

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Sharks, it's a real task

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- to have some honey, isn't it?
- That's right.

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You've to open the jar,
find a spoon

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and then clean your fingers
afterwards.

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It's all a complete mess.

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The world has seen
some amazing packaging revolutions

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that have changed the way
we use certain products.

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- Tea bags for instance.
- Great example.

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Or look at shampoo sachets.

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We bring to you
one such packaging innovation

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with Honey Twigs.

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[pleasant music playing]

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Sharks, Honey Twigs
is a great packaging innovation

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that allows you to consume honey

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anywhere, anyhow and at any time.

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Be it your office

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or packing your child's lunchbox...

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- Hmm.
- Or while travelling.

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It's very simple.

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All you have to do is tear,

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squeeze and eat.

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We give you mess-free honey,

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All our honey is ethically sourced.

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All the batches of our honey

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are lab-tested
for quality and purity.

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We sell through our website,
online marketplaces

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Tell us about yourselves.
What is your background?

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Why did you choose this market?

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I am from Delhi.

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My father owns a business
of cosmetic raw materials

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in which the core product
is beeswax.

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- Hmm. - When I was a kid,
I'd visit many apiaries with him.

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My fondness for honey
began from there.

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So much so,

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that when I did my Masters

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from the University of Westminster,
London,

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my dissertation was also on honey.

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I took that forward to convert it
into a business model.

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Nice. So, you're the main founder
of this business.

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- No. Paras and I are Co-founders.
- Okay.

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I grew up in Mumbai
and studied there.

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I went to London in 2008
to study for my Masters

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where I first met Jigar.

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In 2016, when Jigar
shared this idea with us,

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it piqued our interest.

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We conducted our research

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and learned that the use of honey
as an alternative sugar

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faces three major problems.

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The first is,
everybody thinks honey is messy.

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What about you, Prafull?

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I have 25 years of experience
in the field of food,

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non-food, FMCG and B2B business.

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During my career,

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I have been associated
with Indian brands

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such as Himalaya Herbals and VLCC.

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Out of my last two assignments,

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one was as a CEO of Middle East
in Africa

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for VLCC International.

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Apart from that,

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I was the Chief Business Officer
of VLCC's South East Asia business

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and was based in Singapore.

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Prafull, what did you see
in this business

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that you decided
to join this start-up?

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This is a unique innovation
in this category

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which doesn't exist elsewhere.

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Is this any difficult?

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At the end of the day,
you just need to pack it

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This is no ordinary sachet.

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If you compare it
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opening them is not non-messy.

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The USP of our sachets is

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that not even a drop of honey

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will come out
without your instruction,

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which is to squeeze the sachet.

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However, mess-free honey
in a squeezy tube

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has been available for years now.

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We are a portion pack.

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This is one teaspoon
which is 8 grams.

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It isn't like by introducing sachets
or packaging,

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a new brand has disrupted
an existing brand.

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So, what makes you think
you can establish a new brand

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just because of packaging?

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This problem isn't unique.

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- Anybody could have solved it.
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Yet no one has done it to date.

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There was a disruption opportunity
which we noticed,

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and took the plunge.

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Second, if you look at
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the usage of honey

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and its aspects
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For instance, you have lemon,
water and honey every morning.

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We have a variant
called Lemon Infused Honey.

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Whether it is Dabur you use
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you need to cut a lemon into half,

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squeeze out the honey

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- unwitting of the portion...
- Interesting.

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This brings an element
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Third, coming to children.

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If you give honey
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it propagates
a medicinal mindset among kids.

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If you give it to them
in this packaging,

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it serves as a sweetener for children
which is a replacement for candies.

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Very interesting.
Are the twigs available in Starbucks

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made by you?

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- Yes.
- Yes.

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Let us try them.

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[pleasant music playing]

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- Which one do I take? - Aman,
you should try Lemon Infused Honey.

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We know you don't like honey.

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- You watched last season's episode!
- Yes, sir.

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You're very clever, bro!

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[light-hearted music playing]

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It is very easy to open.

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You cracked it.

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- Did it spill?
- It didn't spill.

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- Very good.
- The packaging is very good.

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This is a huge compliment for us

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because since day one, we've wanted
to give our honey to Aman.

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You did. Can you imagine I liked it?

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Apart from the packaging,

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the taste is
also a big differentiator.

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And you know, flavours...

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Why didn't you talk about it?

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You've been only
talking about the packaging.

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No, both of them
are differentiators for us.

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Our idea behind it is
to make healthy eating convenient.

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We will introduce more products
through our packaging model.

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- Correct, exactly.
- In which you also have infusions,

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you are underselling that.

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You have come up
with your own recipes.

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And your product in this
looks very cool,

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- very nice and very different.
- I would love to gift this.

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- Anyone else would like
to gift this. - Yes.

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So, coming to
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Have you had them taste this?

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- Yes.
- What were their views?

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Our variants are loved
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When we launched the product,

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we used to put up stalls
at food fairs.

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Kids who disliked honey
have visited our stalls.

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Their mothers said that
they didn't eat honey at all.

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We gave them Vanilla Honey.

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The kids loved it so much
that they bought a few packets.

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We converted people
into consumers of honey

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with our variants.

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Do you have a differentiation
in sourcing?

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These days, most brands claim
their honey is natural.

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Our honey is procured
from the Uttarakhand-Himachal belt.

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- Do you own that?
- No, it is outsourced.

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How do you know...

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- We...
- How the honeybees are treated?

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In 2020, we bought
a strategic investment

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which is one of the largest
suppliers of honey in India.

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They maintain our relationship
with the beekeepers.

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Via that, we teach
ethical beekeeping to beekeepers.

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Also, as for the overall process
of the product that lies with us,

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we can have
complete control over it.

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The entire packaging
is manufactured by us.

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because everyone wants
a healthy sweetener.

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If we talk about the Middle East,

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the markets over there

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see a tremendous consumption
of honey.

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People consider it a religion

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- and it is even used
for religious purposes. - I see.

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At what percent is it growing?

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Okay, tell us about your sales.

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Our sales for FY 2020-21
were Rs. 1.3 crores.

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Our sales for FY 2021-22
were Rs. 2.6 crores.

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- And our sales for FY 2022-23
were Rs. 4 crores. - Nice.

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As for the last quarter,

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our sales in June were Rs. 55 lakhs,

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Rs. 18 lakhs in July

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and Rs. 35 lakhs in August.

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It was Rs. 35 lakhs
in September as well.

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Explain the dip.

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You went from Rs. 55 lakhs
to 18 and then to 35 twice.

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We received an export order
in June for Rs. 35 lakhs

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which created a big increase.

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If we exclude the exports,

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what are your monthly sales
from India alone?

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About Rs. 20 to 25 lakhs.

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65% of our sales is domestic.

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What is the break-up
of retail and HoReCa

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in your domestic business?

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60% is our HoReCa business
and 40% is our retail business.

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What is your projected revenue
for FY 2023-24?

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If we don't raise funding,
then it is Rs. 6 crores,

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and if we raise funds,
then at least Rs. 9 crores.

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One was an angel round
very early in 2017

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in which we raised Rs. 50 lakhs.

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What valuation was that at?

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It was at a valuation
of Rs. 2.77 crores.

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- Post money.
- Pre money.

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After that, we raised an investment
of Rs. 1.5 crores in 2020

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at a valuation of Rs. 12 crores.

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We took Rs. 50 lakhs in cash

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How much equity
does each one of you hold?

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We both have 36% equity each.

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13% is held
by our strategic investors.

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And 15% is held
by our initial investor

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who are the angel investors.

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At this point, Prafull has invested
Rs. 1 crore in the business.

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He holds 5% equity.

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Wow! You've invested Rs. 1 crore
of your own money as a co-founder.

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- That's right.
- Well done.

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- A valuation of Rs. 20 crores.
- Yes, sir.

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You have such implicit faith
in your business

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that you invested your money
at this valuation.

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Hats off to your conviction.

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Hey!

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I decided I'd never invest
in the honey business.

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- [laughs]
- I don't like it.

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I really like all of you
as founders.

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- Thank you.
- I think I can work with you.

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The product is good,
the taste is solid. I liked it.

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Profitability is in your DNA.

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Even after raising so much,
you have not gone all out.

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"Let's do this and this as well..."

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So, here's my offer.

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Rs. 45 lakhs for 3% equity

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They approached
Taj, Oberoi and others

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and did sampling
by giving them loads of products

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at very affordable rates.

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That created a high demand
among the consumers

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and they built a retail business.

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If you look at it as sampling,

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where you are using your brand
to create an opportunity

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to get the consumer to try
the products, then it's brilliant.

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I think the innovation
is quite good.

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You designed this very thoughtfully.

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This has two sets,

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which if you were to tear,
the honey doesn't immediately...

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- Ooze out.
- Pop out.

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I think you put
a lot of thought into it

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and I really love that.

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- So, I'll make an offer to you.
- That's lovely.

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Ah!

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Everybody copies me. Very bad!

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Rs. 75 lakhs for 4% equity.

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And at some point,
if Aman wants to collaborate,

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I'm happy to do a joint deal.

254
00:13:56,680 --> 00:14:00,160
Vineeta made a great pitch
for Ritesh and me.

255
00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,840
If you try HoReCa sampling,
it will help build your brand.

256
00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,960
- After that, you should get
into distribution. - [Sharks laugh]

257
00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,200
I thought I'd go ahead
without asking Ritesh.

258
00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,160
I know what kind of a guy he is.

259
00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,920
We've become friends
in such a short time.

260
00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,040
We'll offer you a dream deal,
we'll meet your ask.

261
00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:17,600
[gripping music playing]

262
00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,360
Rs. 75 lakhs for 3% equity

263
00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,120
along with
HoReCa distribution sampling.

264
00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,720
We did the same partnership
with Biotique too.

265
00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,720
So, I can't commit, but we will try

266
00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,840
that for our in-room services,

267
00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,160
we introduce you
to our hotel owners.

268
00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,920
I wish to join Ritesh and Anupam...

269
00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,320
[tense music playing]

270
00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:46,920
In this offer

271
00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,880
which is Rs. 75 lakhs for 3% equity,

272
00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,040
if they are okay with it.

273
00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,000
Are you in?

274
00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,240
Listen, Anupam. At least ask Ritesh.

275
00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,240
- The poor guy doesn't want
to go with you. - I'm asking him.

276
00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:56,480
No, I said yes.

277
00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,680
- Could you give us two minutes?
- Quickly go and come back.

278
00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,680
Our deal becomes
a little non-competitive.

279
00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:10,960
So, we'd like to revise it.

280
00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:12,800
Let me tell you.

281
00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,560
There are many hotels
apart from OYO.

282
00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,880
If you go with OYO, other hotels
might not partner with you.

283
00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,360
- Do you get what I'm saying?
- Exactly.

284
00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,640
Ritesh is one of
the best gentlemen, right?

285
00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:22,480
I like him.

286
00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,200
I may not say
the same thing about others,

287
00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,000
- but I really like him, okay?
- [laughter]

288
00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,120
Let's ask him.

289
00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,000
Even if you don't make the offer,
will you still keep the samples

290
00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,240
- in your hotel?
- Will you do it?

291
00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:31,280
He will.

292
00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,320
He cares about the founders.

293
00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,560
He wishes them luck
when they leave. Don't you?

294
00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:36,760
- Tell them.
- I certainly do.

295
00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,920
So, you will get
OYO regardless, okay?

296
00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,160
You will also get the other hotels.

297
00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,080
You'll also get D2C, you know?

298
00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,560
Vineeta and I will

299
00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,560
together give you Rs. 75 lakhs
for 4% equity.

300
00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,040
We are kingmakers.

301
00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,160
This is the kingmaker.
Take your time to think, bro.

302
00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,840
When you return, don't say,
"We want everyone on board."

303
00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:00,760
We don't want
to collaborate with them.

304
00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,160
- The cheque...
- [hysterical laughter]

305
00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,280
Don't do that.

306
00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:04,480
[tense music playing]

307
00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,320
Look, do you want intelligence
or arrogance?

308
00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:09,640
Intelligence, right?

309
00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,440
- Oh!
- Make your decision, please.

310
00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:14,520
Have you watched Shark Tank?

311
00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,240
Then I'm sure you know
who is arrogant.

312
00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:18,640
[music playing]

313
00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,640
People offer deals,
I offer my heart.

314
00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:21,880
[tense music playing]

315
00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,080
Pick one, guys. Come on. Let's go.

316
00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:26,720
[suspenseful music playing]

317
00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,600
Let me caution you.

318
00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,280
In the Tank,

319
00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,400
when you over-negotiate
and when things go haywire,

320
00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,120
the deals evaporate.

321
00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:44,760
So, what have you decided?

322
00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,040
We'd like to suggest
two combinations.

323
00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:48,160
One option is,

324
00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,880
if all five of you
wish to collaborate,

325
00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,840
we could do Rs. 1 crore
for 5% equity, Sharks.

326
00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,080
is that we'd go with Ritesh,
Peyush and Anupam's offer.

327
00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,920
Let's do it.
Rs. 75 lakhs for 3% equity.

328
00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,080
- Done deal.
- You have a deal.

329
00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:24,520
[camera shutter clicking]

330
00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,440
- All right!
- Thank you.

331
00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,080
- Thank you.
- Amazing deal.

332
00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,480
[music fades]

333
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,160
[theme music playing]

334
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,840
[music fades]

335
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:45,840
[clanking]

336
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,560
- Greetings.
- Hello.

337
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,160
I used to be sad and morose.

338
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,760
Scrubbing this wok
had sucked the joy out of my life.

339
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,720
Then I came across

340
00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,840
a dish cleaner
with the power of a hundred lemons.

341
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,520
Now, my life is, predictably,
full of happiness.

342
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:06,960
[laughs]

343
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,480
Sharks, have you been brainwashed
into thinking that too?

344
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,280
"It destroys 99.9% germs."

345
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,880
"Three times cleaner..."
And so on and so forth.

346
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,680
I can't say whether they kill
99.9% of the germs or not,

347
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,400
but this is how
conventional cleaners

348
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,400
are coating your homes
with harmful chemicals.

349
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,120
So, I present to you Koparo.

350
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,720
[light-hearted music playing]

351
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,920
We are present
on major e-commerce sites,

352
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,720
because my father
was in the Indian Army.

353
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,280
The road to college

354
00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:44,640
took me from Delhi University
to LSC in London

355
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,720
followed by ISB in Hyderabad
to pursue my MBA.

356
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,520
I passed out in 2006 from ISB.

357
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,960
- Okay. - So, I've had 15 years
of work experience before Koparo.

358
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,280
After I completed my MBA,
I started working at McKinsey.

359
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,200
I moved on to Star and Hotstar.

360
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,080
My last big assignment
was with Star.

361
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,240
I oversaw the revenues
for Hindi GEC channels.

362
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,000
By revenue, you mean sales.

363
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:08,960
- Yes.
- Okay.

364
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,120
I was the CEO of Juggernaut Books
before I started Koparo.

365
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,320
Wow! All right.

366
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,240
- You oversaw sales again.
- Yes.

367
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,200
- So, basically a sales...
- A business person.

368
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,360
A Business, sales person.

369
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,760
I understand revenue
and monetisation.

370
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,600
How did you plan to start Koparo?

371
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,520
You had such a great
professional career.

372
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,640
How did you leave that and begin
your journey of entrepreneurship?

373
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,200
During the pandemic, we were all
locked up at home.

374
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,360
Work from home, study from home,
homeschooling, all was on.

375
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,720
At home, my husband and my
5-year-old daughter

376
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,440
were helping me clean.

377
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,240
Then I got interested in

378
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,200
the ingredients of these
cleaning products.

379
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,360
I was both surprised and sad

380
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,240
that they have a lot
of toxic chemicals.

381
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,320
Hmm.

382
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,280
And I felt that we must bring
a solution for the Indian market

383
00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,600
which makes these products
eco-friendly, child and pet safe.

384
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,280
And if my five-year-old wants
to clean,

385
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:06,520
I can give her my products
without any hesitation.

386
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,960
I'm sure that you've studied the
market size and opportunity.

387
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,080
My training at McKinsey,

388
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,080
and my business training
in the media industry,

389
00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:18,440
I built a top-down market view.

390
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,160
When these two numbers, bottoms-up
and top-down

391
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:44,960
start to match,

392
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,760
you're sure that your estimate
of market sizing is correct.

393
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,840
There's a new wave of D2C brands,
but they are few.

394
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,560
And it's a white space,
an opportunity.

395
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,000
I understand women's power.

396
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,040
What's coconut power?

397
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,960
Every cleaning product has
a surfactant base.

398
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,920
Surfactant is what causes the froth.

399
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,240
So our surfactant

400
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,320
Is there any data to prove that
when you wash your clothes,

401
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:33,880
Um-hmm.

402
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,200
with a washing powder
of an average brand.

403
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:37,600
Right.

404
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,080
So, how will it impact your health?

405
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,800
Is there any study or data?

406
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,320
If you study the ingredients,

407
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,480
bleach, a common ingredient
in laundry detergents.

408
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,800
There are many medical studies

409
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,080
to prove that it can trigger
dermatitis, eczema,

410
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,600
and various eye irritations.

411
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,400
Thanks to the beauty industry.

412
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,520
Bleach, phosphates, ammonia,
there's a lot of awareness about it.

413
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,560
That these chemicals are
not good for us.

414
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,040
But in the beauty industry,
80 per cent use SLS, SLES.

415
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,680
Too far-stretched.

416
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,640
Firstly, in this entire category,

417
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,960
where you can create an in-road
is your dish-cleaning.

418
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,760
Because it's assumed that it
touches your vessels

419
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,240
and if there's toxic residue,
then you're ingesting it.

420
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,280
So, it's in-me platform.

421
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,760
So whatever you're putting
into yourself,

422
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,240
you will get the fastest
growth there.

423
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,360
And yes, dishwashing liquid
is my hero product.

424
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,520
that all chemicals are bad for you.

425
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,280
There's no scientific conclusion
to it yet.

426
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,960
It's a positioning game.

427
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,240
Like you started your pitch

428
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,000
and it has become a new story.

429
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,720
I'm not a believer that all
chemicals are bad.

430
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,520
I'm also not a believer that
your efficacy be compromised.

431
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,560
So, we only launch products whose
internal lab study satisfies us

432
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,240
that these natural cleaners
are equally effective

433
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,240
if not, better, in terms
of cleaning.

434
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,320
But then FMCG companies
can also do the same, right?

435
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,560
- What is stopping them?
- It's already happening.

436
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,040
It will happen in this industry too.

437
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,240
- Yeah.
- But how does that matter?

438
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,040
Because they have distribution.

439
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:39,760
- Doesn't matter.
- No.

440
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,120
- They're not interested
- We...

441
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,560
in this because your price point
must be high

442
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,520
and it's a small market for them.

443
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,400
If this trend is mainstream,
it will surely grow.

444
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,080
Within 4-5 years, they will
surely enter this market.

445
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,760
Until then, we can build a big
brand here.

446
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,440
But your opinion on price points.

447
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,640
So, I'd like to tell you that
we're not 2x or 3x premium.

448
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,920
As the pack size increases,

449
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,680
the premiums become more attractive.

450
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,880
If I get into laundry liquid,

451
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,880
That's the point. The world
has adopted it

452
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,480
and it's native to us,
yet we're behind.

453
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,680
But are there coconut cleaners
abroad or just coconut food?

454
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,480
No, definitely. Whoever makes
natural cleaners

455
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,640
use coconut or sugarcane based
surfactants.

456
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,320
And internationally, there are
big companies.

457
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,440
- Name a global company.
- Seventh Generation, the biggest.

458
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,320
- Same? Based on coconut?
- Yes.

459
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,000
Please show us your products.

460
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,240
[music playing]

461
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,640
Thank you.

462
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:31,960
Thank you.

463
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,280
That's an air freshener.
You can pick up a fragrance strip.

464
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:36,440
Ah, nice.

465
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,280
And what is this? Don't tell me
that you're launching t-shirts.

466
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,400
No, we're not. This is a t-shirt
washed in our laundry care.

467
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,240
- Ah.
- So, I wanted you to see it.

468
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,840
That's an all-purpose cleaner.

469
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,520
- Okay.
- And handwash. This is a detergent.

470
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,800
[music playing]

471
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,680
This all-purpose cleaner smells
clean and fresh.

472
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,120
Yes.

473
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,240
It doesn't feel chemical.

474
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,040
Your air freshener smells great.

475
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,240
I tried it on the strip.

476
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,160
You suddenly moved from cleaning
to fresheners.

477
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,200
Isn't it a segment diversion?

478
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:16,080
Uh, our air care helps us a lot
in our offline activation.

479
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,040
- Okay.
- People can touch and feel it.

480
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,840
And over the last 2.5 years,
fragrances have become our USP.

481
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,800
But hand wash is too stretched.

482
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,960
People believe that something used
to wash vessels,

483
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,800
or wash clothes,

484
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,760
I won't use that brand to wash
my hands.

485
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,200
There are rare brands that
have been able to move

486
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,920
from vessels, clothes, to handwash.

487
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,400
Actually, our hand wash adoption
is pretty strong.

488
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,840
We are making a category brand.

489
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,680
But if I feel 18 months later,

490
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,680
that in this portfolio,

491
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,480
only 2 or 3 ranges must be kept,
then we shall do it.

492
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:04,560
I see.

493
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,520
Are there many competitors around
you in India today?

494
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,720
If they are, then how ahead of them
are you?

495
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,200
In terms of market share, presently.

496
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,560
There's a brand called
Herbal Strategi.

497
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,240
Hmm.

498
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,240
- There's a brand called PureCult.
- There's Born Good.

499
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,680
So, we have many points
of differentiation.

500
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,160
PureCult's products are

501
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,080
- two times pricier than us.
- Expensive.

502
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,120
Some of them are loaded with
essential oils.

503
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,680
They have added colours too.

504
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,240
What's the difference
in market share?

505
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,600
But we're bigger than them.

506
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,720
You're bigger than all of them?

507
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,720
Not bigger than Herbal Strategi.

508
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,760
They have been in the market

509
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,720
- for a long time.
- Been long.

510
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,320
They have been in the market
for 10-12 years.

511
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,080
But we are bigger than
the other two.

512
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,480
How big is Herbal Strategi?

513
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,080
They do business worth

514
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,520
- 300-400 crores.
- Okay.

515
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,880
What's your revenue?

516
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,560
Last month, we made Rs 80 lakhs.

517
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:56,760
Not bad.

518
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,080
-  Revenue last year?
- Rs 4.5 crores.

519
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,320
- And this year projected?
- Rs 12 crores.

520
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,360
Because the space is not crowded
in natural care yet.

521
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,720
You have so much guts
that Surf's price point

522
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,480
which is the market leader,

523
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,320
you've almost matched it.
That's phenomenal.

524
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,280
I will make you an offer.
Rs 70 lakhs for 2 per cent.

525
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,520
- Thank you.
- I'll enjoy working with you.

526
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,720
Simran, do you have anybody
on your cap table yet?

527
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,200
- I have my investors.
- You raised 2-3 rounds.

528
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,800
I have raised two rounds.

529
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,960
The first round was raised
in November 2021.

530
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,400
And then I raised a round in
February 2023.

531
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,520
And that was Rs 12 crores.

532
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,000
At a valuation of Rs 57 crores.

533
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,280
So, I asked for a valuation

534
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,440
- of Rs 70 crores.
- That's not an unfair ask.

535
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:21,440
Not an unfair ask.

536
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,440
What's the margin in business?

537
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,840
Our gross margin is 66 per cent.

538
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,040
What's your spend on marketing
currently?

539
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,680
So 66 per cent.

540
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,880
takes up 28 per cent.

541
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,680
What was last month's loss and burn?

542
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,800
So, last month, our loss
was Rs 21 lakhs.

543
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,760
And our burn was around Rs 27 lakhs.

544
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,440
- You have the raised capital.
- Yes.

545
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,280
Is your sale on credit, cash,
through which channel?

546
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,240
So, 45 per cent is through
my website.

547
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,520
40 per cent through Amazon.

548
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,560
7 to 8 per cent is Big Basket.

549
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,720
And the rest is a long tail which
includes quick commerce.

550
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,800
How do you plan to scale it?
Will you go offline or sell online?

551
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,240
We have cracked a national deal.

552
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,240
With Reliance stores.

553
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,080
We have to bring it to a level
of CM2 8 to 10 per cent.

554
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,000
So that this can stand till the end.

555
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,440
You have to increase
the margin for that.

556
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,960
We have to increase the margin
for that.

557
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,200
We have to implement pricing
strategies for it.

558
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,440
We have to keep close relationships
with e-commerce sites.

559
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,000
You will do it, Simran.

560
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,960
Let's be fair to you and
raise your valuation.

561
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,040
So, my offer is at Rs 60 crores.

562
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,960
Rs 70 lakh investment for
1.16 per cent of your company.

563
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,160
Simran, after DDLJ, I wanted
to call you Simran.

564
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:17,720
So, Simran.

565
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,320
You're so smart. The sales
are great, what can we add?

566
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,080
Aman, I'm not flattering you but

567
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,560
your knowledge of digital,
native brand building

568
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,880
- I don't think anyone...
- You're flattering him.

569
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,640
- Flatter him if you want the deal.
- Oh!

570
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:33,320
I was waiting to hear this.

571
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,440
[laughing]

572
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,600
- No, but on a serious note.
- I'm a solo founder.

573
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,360
The experience that you guys have,
the highs and lows that you've had

574
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,680
even if you're one phone call away,
once a quarter,

575
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,400
it's very valuable to me.

576
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,800
I had you. When you said that
your premium is not much.

577
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,040
That was the best part.

578
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,240
The day your price started moving

579
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:57,400
- towards equality.
- Yeah.

580
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,920
You will nail it!

581
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,560
Vineeta, you want to do it with me?

582
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,480
Rs 70 lakhs for 1 per cent.

583
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,680
- It's a deal, Vineeta and Aman.
- Alright.

584
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:32,520
[laughing]

585
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,880
She's clear, bro. She wanted Aman.

586
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,680
[music playing]

587
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,680
- Thank you.
- You're great.

588
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,800
Thank you. Good job!

589
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,480
Congrats! All the best!

590
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,880
Congratulations!

591
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,960
I couldn't conclude it.

592
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,000
But I'd like to tell you that your

593
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,880
products have
significant opportunity.

594
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,840
We are the biggest buyers
of cleaning products

595
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,760
especially floor cleaning.

596
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,520
- Yes.
- So, I invite you to meet us.

597
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,400
- And we will try to support you.
- We will come.

598
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,360
- Thanks, bro.
- Thank you.

599
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,520
Means a lot. Thank you.

600
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,640
[music playing]

601
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,360
- The founder is powerful.
- Yeah, she's good.

602
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,680
Exceptional founder.
She's experienced.

603
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,120
Professional, clarity of thinking,

604
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,120
- understands business grounds.
- Humble.

605
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,520
One of the best founders on
Shark Tank.

606
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,800
Let's meet the first pitcher
of the first season.

607
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,200
Greetings, Sharks. I'm Aditi
Bhutia Madan.

608
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,000
I was born and raised in
Darjeeling, Himalayas.

609
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,280
People also know me as Momo Mami.

610
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,040
It's Shark Tank India's first season
and I'm the opener.

611
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,280
It was impactful.

612
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,440
It inspired hope.

613
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,880
- Your momos are delicious.
- Yes.

614
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,360
- Very nice.
- Thank you, Sharks.

615
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,960
Your name, Momo Mami,

616
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,360
I loved it.

617
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,480
It was my dream to have a fine dining
restaurant or outlet.

618
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,160
Our new dining shop is being
opened at Karol Bagh.

619
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:53,080
And I'm very excited.

620
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,360
After Shark Tank India

621
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,240
my momos were in great demand.

622
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,200
It used to be considered junk food.

623
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,560
It has been adopted as staple food.

624
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,120
Our Sharks, Aman Sir, Vineeta Ma'am,

625
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,000
they supported me and were
very happy

626
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,800
that we opened outlets at
a high footfall area.

627
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,680
Everyone was recognising my work

628
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,880
and the efforts that I've put in
with my venture.

629
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,520
We have more than 40 employees

630
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,640
and mostly females.

631
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,880
We have increased
our storage capacity.

632
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,280
We had a storage capacity
of 20,000 pieces.

633
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,120
Now, we have an in-house storage
capacity of 1.5 lakh pieces.

634
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,680
Apart from our 35 in-house variants,

635
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,760
we added 40 more variants.

636
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,240
Three years ago, when I see
myself as an entrepreneur

637
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,120
or even our product or brand,
Momo Mami.

638
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,040
There was not much recognition.

639
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,320
But the place I'm at today,

640
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,080
Aditi Madan, Momo Mami
and BluePine Foods.

641
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,280
I'd just like to thank
Shark Tank India

642
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,800
for bringing the change in me.

643
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,040
- Momo Mama.
- Mami.

644
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,240
- And I'm Momo Uncle.
- [laughing]

645
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,040
Momos have become a meal.

646
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,680
She is a very good human being.

647
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,560
I'm sure she'll do well.

648
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,000
[camera clicks]

649
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,920
[music playing]

650
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,800
Aman, you must've heard about
Crime master Gogo.

651
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,400
He used to pull out eyes

652
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,720
- and play with them.
- Play with them.

653
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,560
But we are not here to discuss that.

654
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,840
We're here to discuss something
that a man's future depends on.

655
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,680
If it gets kicked, it hurts.

656
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,320
You must've understood who we are
and what we're here for.

657
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,640
Whether it's summer, winter, or
monsoon, we're always stuck.

658
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:16,720
Bras were made for women's
support years ago.

659
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,880
But who will support our brothers?

660
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,760
Due to the current design
of underwears,

661
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,480
It becomes embarassing in public.

662
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,080
Also, women feel very uncomfortable.

663
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:35,680
Absolutely.

664
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,240
Enough!

665
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,200
We can't stay stuck.

666
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,400
- It's time to break free.
- [laughing]

667
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,200
Will you separate it?

668
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,760
[music playing]

669
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,760
- Oh! What a relief!
- But how come three?

670
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,240
What's this?

671
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,120
[laughing]

672
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,800
Greetings, Sharks. My name is Ankit.

673
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,000
[music playing]

674
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,320
Along with that,
it also provides relief

675
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,760
from discomforts like chaffing,
rashes and itching.

676
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,920
We use the Modal fabric

677
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,560
obtained from Beechwood
to make our underwear

678
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,720
but antimicrobial too.

679
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,040
We launched this in 2023.

680
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,360
Today, we sell our products
through our website

681
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,800
and two marketplaces.

682
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:49,520
[Sharks laugh]

683
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,840
Sharks, our vision is

684
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,560
to provide comfortable underwear
to all the men in the world

685
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,560
so that they can feel comfortable
and confident in every situation

686
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,800
and they never
have the need to adjust their pants.

687
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,880
I play cricket.

688
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,080
You wear a groin guard
while playing the sport.

689
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,160
If an underwear
were to offer that kind of support,

690
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,440
you'd feel really comfortable and
wouldn't have the need to adjust.

691
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:24,360
We did extensive research,

692
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,400
but no such product is available
in the Indian market.

693
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,960
That was the idea behind it
plus we identified a gap.

694
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,760
What did you all do before this?

695
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,680
I'm an electronics
and telecommunications engineer.

696
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,080
- From where?
- IET DAVV, Indore.

697
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,320
I did a job for a year
and then started my own business.

698
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,800
What business were you into?

699
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,080
IT services.

700
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,040
I now work here full-time.

701
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:07,720
What about you?

702
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,240
I've done engineering too.
We're college friends.

703
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,640
After that...

704
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:14,720
My relatives run a business,
they own a fuel station.

705
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,840
It's a fuel pump.

706
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,800
So, I joined them.

707
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,000
After that, we started 2Ballz.

708
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:21,960
And what about you?

709
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,160
I joined my family business
after completing my engineering.

710
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:26,640
Our family business

711
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,440
is into the trading
and procurement of foods.

712
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,160
What do your families say now?

713
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,160
- Comfortable...
- Now that you switched businesses.

714
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:34,360
They're comfortable...

715
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,320
That's because they wear
your underwear,

716
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,600
but what do they have to say
about your business?

717
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,640
I explained the real problem
to them.

718
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:42,160
- Initially, they didn't
take it seriously. - Okay.

719
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,880
Then they seriously felt

720
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,360
that it was a problem
and there was a huge gap...

721
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,000
[laughs] Gap!

722
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,680
- Gap...
- [Sharks laugh]

723
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,840
And I should carry on with it.

724
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,400
- I... Can I show it to you?
- Yes, please show it to us.

725
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,400
Basically, this is our 2Ballz pouch.

726
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,400
When you wear this
as regular underwear,

727
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:05,080
it keeps the testicles
and the male organ

728
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,760
separate from the body.

729
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,240
That lowers the temperature
of the crotch area

730
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,320
providing relief from sweating,
rashes and itching.

731
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,000
Plus, it gives ample support
all day long

732
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,480
without constricting them.

733
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,000
Yes.

734
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,960
Did you read up on the science?

735
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:25,080
Uh, yes.

736
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,800
- You have discussed this
with doctors. - Yes.

737
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,640
So, your product is safe to use.

738
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,400
- Yes, sir.
- A lot of doctors use it too.

739
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,640
Could you show us the product?

740
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:40,680
- Yes.
- Yes.

741
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,200
You can take it there.

742
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,640
Thank you.

743
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:54,880
Your designs are really bad.

744
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,320
[tense music playing]

745
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,360
Including the colours and feel.

746
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,080
If you've seen, nowadays...

747
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,640
There was a brand called Bummer
that came in Season 1.

748
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:06,160
Then there are good brands
like XYXX also.

749
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,720
We've introduced eight new colours.

750
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,760
Along with that,
we are dealing in solids.

751
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,600
Let's talk about your USP.

752
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,240
Don't you think everybody has
this design option?

753
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,840
How will you compete in the market?

754
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,760
How will the differentiation stay?

755
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,680
I think the market is big enough
for everyone.

756
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,560
Dollar, Dixcy and Jockey
were already there.

757
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:29,200
DaMENSCH, XYXX and Bummer
also made a place for themselves.

758
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,400
- You're an innerwear company.
- Yes, comfort-oriented.

759
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,520
I mean, such
in-your-face branding companies

760
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,120
just do not scale.

761
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,240
So, you kept your USP
as your brand name!

762
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:49,960
And an in-your-face name
like 'Ballz' is a big no.

763
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,880
You could have named it
Left And Right also.

764
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,320
There were two reasons why we
thought of this name for branding.

765
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,280
Firstly, the market
was already too crowded.

766
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,200
We needed to keep such a name

767
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,640
that if you hear it once,
you can recall the brand.

768
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,320
- And...
- It doesn't bring seriousness...

769
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,160
- Yes. - It doesn't lend
seriousness to your business.

770
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,040
Who will say,
"I wear underwear by 2Ballz"?

771
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,640
You're indirectly
telling your customers

772
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,480
not to buy your products.

773
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:13,760
[tense music playing]

774
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,080
We currently deal
in three categories.

775
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,400
The MRP of our briefs is Rs. 699

776
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,120
and that of our trunks is Rs. 799.

777
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,400
The MRP of our boxers is Rs. 849.

778
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,760
I could get Jockey for that price.

779
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,400
Yes, but...

780
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,160
We deal in the premium segment too

781
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:38,520
and deliver products
of good fabric and quality.

782
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,320
If Jockey gives me the same product,
I'll buy from them.

783
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,600
Jockey doesn't offer a pouch.

784
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,520
- Not currently,
but they might in future. - True.

785
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:46,520
If the sales increase.

786
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,200
Sir, that's the case
with every product.

787
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,400
If you look from that angle,
competition exists everywhere.

788
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,840
Let's see if you have
your eye on the ball.

789
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,360
Your numbers will tell us

790
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:58,040
what you're doing...

791
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,680
They've sold only 1,000 units.
What numbers?

792
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:00,760
Just 1,000 units!

793
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,240
When did you start?

794
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,840
In January 2023.

795
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,880
Okay. What were last month's sales?

796
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,680
Our sales in August
were Rs. 1.64 lakhs.

797
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,360
I see. What was the growth
before that?

798
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,280
Our sales in July
were Rs. 1.65 lakhs.

799
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,960
In June, our sales
were Rs. 1.8 lakhs.

800
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,160
- You said you owned
an IT services company. - Yes.

801
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,040
How much would you make per month?

802
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,200
Rs. 3 to 5 lakhs.

803
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,280
Whoa!

804
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,680
- What was your salary, Ankit?
- Rs. 45,000.

805
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,160
Rs. 45,000. What about you?

806
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,840
It was my family business,
so I didn't draw a salary...

807
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,800
- You must have made something.
- About Rs. 80,000 to 90,000

808
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,640
- would come to me.
- That's Rs. 1.5 lakhs.

809
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:38,600
3.5 lakhs...

810
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,720
- Let me add yours also...
Rs. 5 lakhs a month... - Yes.

811
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,560
So, even though you were making
good money,

812
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,640
you decided to quit your businesses
and start this.

813
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,600
We don't understand
what you saw in it.

814
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,240
We didn't quit completely.

815
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,000
We worked there part-time
during the initial days.

816
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,280
We incorporated this company
in 2019,

817
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,560
the reason being

818
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,360
we wanted to register
the design for the pouch.

819
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,960
- So, we incorporated...
- Forget about the design.

820
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:05,960
Tell me something.

821
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,000
Something must have happened
for you to suddenly feel

822
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,640
like this business is in trend

823
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,960
and your products
would sell like hot cakes!

824
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,920
- That happened to us.
- That's why Rs. 5 lakhs...

825
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,120
You said your sales were
Rs. 1.5 lakhs. When did it happen?

826
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,200
- How did it happen?
- In January...

827
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,760
We launched with a small MAQ
in the market.

828
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,200
Within a few days of our launch,

829
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,280
our hero product,
the trunks, went out of stock.

830
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,000
Even now it is out of stock.

831
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,480
Do you men think
this is solving the problem?

832
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,000
No, there is no such problem.

833
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,880
The majority of the feedback we got
had one common point.

834
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,600
People were happy
that such a product

835
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,320
would be entering the Indian market.

836
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,840
Let me tell you something.

837
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,720
Instead of 2Ballz,

838
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,000
launch underwear
by the name 1Ball, okay?

839
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,400
Many people
will give you the feedback

840
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,640
that your product is amazing.

841
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,240
So, will you start that business?

842
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:29,240
I don't find this business
investable right now.

843
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,160
It's too early.

844
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,160
I also don't think
you need money right now.

845
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,080
So, I am out, but best of luck.

846
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,320
This is a bad business
in my opinion.

847
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:39,520
That's fine.

848
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,280
- It seems like a gimmicky product.
- Okay.

849
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,360
It will not be
a serious business ever.

850
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:45,440
I'm out.

851
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,520
In my opinion,
this is obscene and disgusting.

852
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,840
You make one adjustment
and feel it's a product-market fit

853
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,080
and your business will do well.

854
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,040
I am out, good luck.

855
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,840
I believe that if the product
is good and the price is low,

856
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,240
only then it will sell in India.

857
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,280
You don't seem to have figured out
the product-market fit properly.

858
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,440
Please pursue it further
and see where the road takes you.

859
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,200
Best wishes to you.

860
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,480
- Thank you.
- I'm out.

861
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,480
Let us suppose
that your technology works,

862
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,040
then all the brands will have it too
within six months.

863
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,240
My suggestion is
that you approach them

864
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,480
and if you could sell this to them
and make some money, do that.

865
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,120
Building this business
with this brand name,

866
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,320
logo and product seems implausible.

867
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:42,880
I'm out, best of luck.

868
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,560
- Okay.
- Okay, thank you.

869
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,280
Come on, prove us wrong. Good luck.

870
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,840
- Thank you.
- All the very best.

871
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:48,760
Good luck.

872
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,400
Look. I also support entrepreneurs
a lot, okay?

873
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:55,440
I like them too,

874
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,400
but guiding them
in the right direction is our duty.

875
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,960
When you tell them
that no business is wrong,

876
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,120
- then you're wrong.
- No.

877
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,080
There's no problem with it.

878
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,200
Innerwear business
is a good business. They just can't..

879
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,520
This is not a good business!

880
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,080
Underwear is a good business...
I have two underwear brands!

881
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:10,480
It's a cluttered market.

882
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,240
- That's not the point.
- They're confused.

883
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,000
- The problem is... - They started it
for television fame, a 100%.

884
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,040
Friends, welcome to Ask The Shark.

885
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,440
Joining us today

886
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,520
is the Co-Founder and CMO of boAt,
Mr. Aman Gupta.

887
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,520
- What's up? - Do you like juice?
How about some juice, sir?

888
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,560
- Yes, I drink orange juice.
- Orange juice.

889
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:31,400
Sir, the question
is related to juice.

890
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,800
It is by Nusrat Jamal
from Uttar Pradesh.

891
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,400
- You'll notice there is so much
creativity in India. - Yes.

892
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,600
It leaves me surprised.

893
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,720
"There's so much creativity
in this country."

894
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,400
- "People have such amazing ideas."
- Yes.

895
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:00,520
If you ask me,

896
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,640
our marketing team
loves to try new things.

897
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,440
- I tell them to go ahead.
- Yes.

898
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,760
If you try ten things,
one or two might work,

899
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,560
but those things
will bring unimaginable results.

900
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,640
It's very impactful.

901
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:12,600
If you look at it,
the first AI video

902
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,320
- was done by us.
- Yes.

903
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:15,640
We brought AP Dhillon to India.

904
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,280
We also brought Speed to India.

905
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,520
It gave rise
to so much viral content.

906
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,520
Then we did an event
with The Quick Style.

907
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:23,640
We hosted a metaverse concert.

908
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:26,120
We get really creative
when it comes to marketing

909
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,640
We'll see you next time.
You stay tuned.

