WEBVTT 00:11.480 --> 00:13.280 -[tape hisses] -[birds singing] 00:16.960 --> 00:19.279 [quiet, tense music building] 00:25.400 --> 00:27.400 [music fades] 00:31.400 --> 00:33.519 [man] The suspect's name is Robert Napper. 00:33.600 --> 00:37.040 He's been detained at Broadmoor Secure Hospital since 1995. 00:37.640 --> 00:40.440 Convicted of double murder and several rapes, 00:41.040 --> 00:42.919 though he's suspected of many more. 00:46.239 --> 00:48.960 Napper killed Rachel, André. 00:49.480 --> 00:52.000 And this team is gonna prove it. 00:55.040 --> 00:57.120 And am I supposed to just believe you? 00:59.680 --> 01:00.760 Why would I? 01:01.680 --> 01:04.800 Well, the DNA match is highly likely-- 01:04.879 --> 01:07.840 If that was proof, you'd be telling me you've charged this man, 01:07.920 --> 01:09.960 but you're not, are you? 01:10.680 --> 01:12.800 The sample isn't yet up to evidential standard. 01:12.880 --> 01:14.080 And what if it never is? 01:14.160 --> 01:17.560 We're already assuming that we'll need to rely on other evidence. 01:17.640 --> 01:20.600 But now we have a prime suspect, that search becomes more focused. 01:20.680 --> 01:22.000 So he hasn't admitted it? 01:23.479 --> 01:25.080 We're yet to interview him. 01:25.160 --> 01:27.399 But we know from Napper's other crimes 01:27.479 --> 01:30.759 that he only takes responsibility when he's got no alternative. 01:30.839 --> 01:33.280 The Stagg team focused on securing a confession. 01:33.360 --> 01:34.320 I know what they did. 01:34.920 --> 01:38.560 Our focus is on finding the hard evidence to prove beyond doubt 01:38.640 --> 01:40.160 that Robert Napper is guilty. 01:42.160 --> 01:43.000 Look, 01:45.119 --> 01:47.600 I understand you want certainty. 01:47.680 --> 01:48.880 I want the truth. 01:49.839 --> 01:54.080 About that day and the days that followed when nobody's been held to account. 01:55.280 --> 01:56.399 When you have that, 01:57.600 --> 01:58.679 then I'll listen. 02:01.119 --> 02:02.119 Okay. 02:14.840 --> 02:16.840 [birds singing] 02:17.400 --> 02:19.400 [soft, emotional music playing] 02:20.080 --> 02:23.080 [man] An unsolved case now dating back 14 years. 02:23.160 --> 02:25.720 This is an investigation that, over a decade and a half, 02:25.799 --> 02:29.799 has been scaled back, then reviewed, and has now been looking at new evidence. 02:29.880 --> 02:32.799 But so far, there have been no fresh charges. 02:33.560 --> 02:35.760 [woman speaks indistinctly in Catalan] 02:36.920 --> 02:39.120 [music continues] 02:42.440 --> 02:45.040 -[laughing] -[man speaks in Catalan] 02:46.120 --> 02:47.400 [woman laughing] 02:49.239 --> 02:51.239 [music continues] 03:03.239 --> 03:05.160 [in Catalan] What's your Dad doing tonight? 03:07.040 --> 03:08.040 I don't care. 03:11.600 --> 03:13.600 [phone ringing] 03:18.160 --> 03:19.799 [answering machine bleeps] 03:19.880 --> 03:22.000 [man, in Catalan] André? Are you there? 03:22.519 --> 03:23.480 It's Francisco. 03:24.160 --> 03:27.320 I haven't seen you in months. Where are you? 03:28.040 --> 03:32.720 We're worried about you. 03:32.799 --> 03:34.480 -[machine bleeps] -[André sighs] 03:37.000 --> 03:40.359 [man] So how do we put Robert Napper on Wimbledon Common 03:40.440 --> 03:43.840 on the morning of 15th July, 1992? 03:44.440 --> 03:48.760 Okay, we start by proving he wasn't where he says he was. 03:48.840 --> 03:50.519 [man] Good. Which is? 03:50.600 --> 03:53.600 At work. Serco in Greenwich. Says he was there all day. 03:53.679 --> 03:54.840 [chuckles] 03:54.920 --> 03:57.640 Any former colleagues still around? 03:57.720 --> 04:00.519 The foreman. Uh, he was interviewed at the time. 04:00.600 --> 04:04.000 He kept year planners, showing employee working hours, apparently. 04:04.079 --> 04:05.359 But 1992 was never found. 04:05.440 --> 04:08.079 Right. Do you reckon it's worth having another chat with him? 04:08.160 --> 04:10.679 -No, I very much doubt it. -Yeah, me too. 04:10.760 --> 04:13.600 However, we need to look at everything… 04:13.679 --> 04:17.760 [multiple voices] "Everything and everyone like it's never been seen before." 04:17.839 --> 04:20.800 -Right, have you got the shoe print? -Yeah, there you go. 04:20.880 --> 04:23.800 Tone, there's, um, this shoe print. 04:25.160 --> 04:27.080 One of the only pieces of physical evidence 04:27.160 --> 04:29.560 from the original crime scene. Right? 04:29.640 --> 04:34.240 Now, Benno's been through the logs to try and match it to Napper's shoes, 04:34.320 --> 04:35.240 but… 04:36.000 --> 04:38.000 [quiet, suspenseful music playing] 04:38.919 --> 04:41.640 …there's no footwear found in Napper's room 04:41.720 --> 04:42.760 the day he got nicked. 04:42.840 --> 04:44.520 -Nothing at all. -So…? 04:46.520 --> 04:48.080 So we're wondering 04:48.960 --> 04:51.960 what was he wearing on his feet when he got taken into custody? 04:52.039 --> 04:54.200 Well, he was never out of custody again, was he? 04:54.720 --> 04:55.599 No. 04:56.120 --> 04:59.160 So… They couldn't still be in his property, could they? 04:59.240 --> 05:02.000 In the stores at Broadmoor for the past ten years? 05:02.080 --> 05:03.200 [Ivan inhales sharply] 05:03.840 --> 05:05.160 -It's worth a look. -Mm. 05:05.240 --> 05:08.120 -[man 2] Yeah. -Belt and braces, after last time. 05:08.200 --> 05:10.599 Oh, and not a word to anyone before we get a warrant. 05:11.120 --> 05:13.120 -Yeah. -What? 05:14.479 --> 05:16.640 Ever tried getting a warrant to search a prison? 05:16.720 --> 05:18.240 [music ends] 05:21.360 --> 05:22.840 [Alex sighs] 05:24.160 --> 05:26.039 [indistinct speech on radio] 05:26.120 --> 05:27.320 [Alex sighs] 05:28.720 --> 05:29.720 [André] Alex? 05:32.640 --> 05:34.400 -You okay? -Yeah. 05:36.080 --> 05:37.320 How's your week been? 05:38.400 --> 05:39.359 [Alex] Fine. 05:39.880 --> 05:42.160 Yeah? How about work? 05:42.880 --> 05:43.880 Yeah, fine. 05:46.880 --> 05:47.880 How about you? 05:49.320 --> 05:50.320 [softly] Yeah. 05:50.840 --> 05:52.640 Do you wanna eat now or later? 05:53.320 --> 05:54.320 Um… 05:54.919 --> 05:56.640 I'm eating at Anna's tonight. 05:57.720 --> 05:59.560 Just came to grab a few things. 06:01.840 --> 06:02.960 [clicks tongue] Right. 06:05.200 --> 06:06.640 Why didn't you let me know? 06:07.800 --> 06:10.720 -I thought I had. -When, Alex? 06:11.240 --> 06:12.440 You're never here. 06:12.520 --> 06:13.640 [Alex sighs] 06:14.880 --> 06:17.479 [sighs] Well, I'm here now if you want to talk. 06:18.440 --> 06:20.320 [André] There's not much to talk about. 06:21.720 --> 06:25.039 Not sure you're interested to hear if the police have been in touch, but 06:26.760 --> 06:27.799 they haven't. 06:29.000 --> 06:31.479 They've clearly not got anywhere with this new suspect. 06:31.560 --> 06:33.560 [poignant music playing] 06:34.840 --> 06:36.000 I should shower. 06:42.599 --> 06:44.120 -[André sighs] -[door closes] 06:50.680 --> 06:53.479 [man] It was over ten years ago I was working there. 06:54.240 --> 06:56.919 [Ivan] And, uh, you can't say for sure 06:57.000 --> 06:59.960 whether or not Napper was at work on that particular day? 07:00.039 --> 07:02.760 [chuckles softly] I have a bloody good memory, but… 07:03.280 --> 07:05.359 Is there anyone you think might remember? 07:05.440 --> 07:08.120 Well, like I said, Napper wasn't there long. 07:08.200 --> 07:10.880 And the only person I saw him talk to was himself. 07:10.960 --> 07:13.000 The girls gave him a wide berth, I remember that. 07:13.599 --> 07:15.239 You know I've said all this before? 07:15.320 --> 07:17.120 Yeah. Yeah. 07:18.200 --> 07:22.400 Um… And I believe you kept some year planners? Is that right? 07:22.479 --> 07:25.719 Ah, in the garage, yeah. I don't even know why I kept them. 07:26.239 --> 07:28.479 They had all the employee working hours on them. 07:28.560 --> 07:32.919 I gave '91 and '93 to the other lot. And the rest went in the bin. 07:33.960 --> 07:35.320 There's still no sign of '92? 07:36.479 --> 07:37.320 No. 07:38.280 --> 07:39.880 Mind if we had one last look? 07:40.400 --> 07:42.560 [scoffs] You don't wanna go in there. 07:43.120 --> 07:44.080 [Ivan] No. 07:44.599 --> 07:46.359 No, you're quite right. I don't. 07:50.760 --> 07:53.080 -[man] They're massive things. -[Ivan] Right. 07:53.159 --> 07:55.719 -You know, for the wall. -Yeah. 08:02.239 --> 08:03.679 [quietly] Fucking hell. 08:08.679 --> 08:09.840 Over here, guv. 08:16.320 --> 08:18.320 [quiet, tense music playing] 08:18.919 --> 08:21.039 -Merry Christmas. -Yeah. 08:21.599 --> 08:23.359 Right. Here he is. 08:23.880 --> 08:24.880 Robert Napper. 08:26.039 --> 08:28.320 Wednesday 15th July. 08:28.840 --> 08:30.599 He was off work the whole day. 08:31.239 --> 08:32.319 100%? 08:32.400 --> 08:34.280 George is a scrupulous man. He's adamant. 08:34.360 --> 08:37.240 This means Robert Napper was off work all day. 08:37.799 --> 08:40.520 Right, then. So now we can prove where he wasn't. 08:41.039 --> 08:42.880 Let's see if he'll tell us where he was. 08:43.400 --> 08:45.400 [tense music continues] 08:55.520 --> 08:56.520 [Ivan] Thanks again. 08:57.920 --> 08:59.280 [door closes] 09:00.360 --> 09:02.000 You're his solicitor? 09:02.079 --> 09:03.400 That's right. 09:03.480 --> 09:07.320 And if my client's medical team discern any distress during the interview, 09:07.400 --> 09:09.000 I will stop it immediately. 09:09.520 --> 09:12.920 Bob's… [sighs] …fragile. Mentally. 09:14.280 --> 09:17.000 Bob is also a convicted prisoner. 09:17.079 --> 09:18.880 And a murder suspect. 09:18.959 --> 09:20.760 Actually, he's not a prisoner. 09:20.839 --> 09:22.040 He's a patient. 09:22.800 --> 09:25.280 You're in a hospital, not a prison. 09:29.760 --> 09:33.280 Bob. Got you a seat just through here. 09:35.280 --> 09:37.040 -There we go. -Hello, Robert. 09:41.720 --> 09:43.440 There we go. That's it. 09:44.160 --> 09:45.240 There we go. 09:45.880 --> 09:47.680 Okay. [clears throat] 09:49.320 --> 09:52.160 [Tony] We're here to talk to you about Rachel Nickell. 09:53.920 --> 09:55.760 You know that name, don't you, Robert? 09:58.320 --> 10:00.760 You've been asked about Rachel before, haven't you? 10:02.760 --> 10:07.600 Rachel was sexually assaulted and murdered in 1992. 10:07.680 --> 10:09.440 As a result of scientific advances, 10:09.520 --> 10:13.440 we've now identified previously unknown male DNA 10:13.959 --> 10:15.920 which was found on Rachel's body. 10:17.880 --> 10:19.520 And it's yours, Robert. 10:21.120 --> 10:22.800 You understand what DNA is? 10:22.880 --> 10:26.360 It's, uh… It's unique to you, like a… like a fingerprint. 10:26.440 --> 10:31.480 Yeah. Also means we know you had physical contact with Rachel that day. 10:32.720 --> 10:33.680 Didn't you? 10:36.360 --> 10:40.400 Well, if you can explain it to us, Robert, this is your chance to do so. 10:40.480 --> 10:42.600 Why don't you tell all of us what happened? 10:48.480 --> 10:49.320 Are you listening? 10:55.760 --> 10:57.199 We didn't do that. 11:01.280 --> 11:04.440 I believe you used to work at Serco in Greenwich, Robert. 11:06.400 --> 11:08.160 You know, they have a year planner. 11:09.280 --> 11:12.400 The year planner proves you weren't at work that day, Robert. 11:13.640 --> 11:18.320 It also proves that you lied to police when you were asked about Rachel in 1995. 11:20.280 --> 11:21.560 So why did you lie, Robert? 11:23.280 --> 11:25.560 Where were you really on 15th July? 11:30.120 --> 11:31.160 Robert. 11:31.240 --> 11:33.360 No comment. Thank you. 11:34.760 --> 11:36.480 What else did you lie about? 11:38.680 --> 11:41.079 You were on Wimbledon Common that day, weren't you? 11:41.160 --> 11:43.240 You did kill Rachel Nickell, didn't you? 11:43.320 --> 11:46.079 -[woman] Detective Nash. -Why'd you let the little boy live? 11:47.040 --> 11:48.959 [Tony] Run out of time after you murdered Rachel? 11:49.040 --> 11:50.640 [woman] Per the statement I read to you, 11:50.719 --> 11:53.600 my client doesn't intend to answer any more questions. 11:53.680 --> 11:57.240 What is it about mothers? Your own mum threw you out when you turned 18-- 11:57.320 --> 11:59.560 -[woman] Detective Nash. -That's enough. 11:59.640 --> 12:01.640 [Robert mutters indistinctly] 12:09.880 --> 12:11.800 -[Tony exhales] -Thank you. 12:11.880 --> 12:12.880 Thanks. 12:27.600 --> 12:28.719 [Ivan] You okay? 12:29.719 --> 12:30.760 Yeah. 12:32.880 --> 12:36.000 "You're in a hospital… not a prison." 12:36.839 --> 12:38.839 Which we will get a warrant for. 12:42.040 --> 12:43.040 All right. 12:47.640 --> 12:51.520 Police are questioning a 40-year-old man over the murder of Rachel Nickell. 12:51.599 --> 12:55.280 A breakthrough in DNA has identified this particular suspect. 12:55.360 --> 12:57.599 [man] It's thought the man is currently being held 12:57.680 --> 13:00.760 at Broadmoor Secure Hospital for a different crime. 13:00.839 --> 13:02.680 Scotland Yard won't confirm a name, 13:02.760 --> 13:05.560 saying simply that they are speaking to a 40-year-old 13:05.640 --> 13:08.320 and that the interview is part of ongoing inquiries 13:08.400 --> 13:10.000 into Rachel Nickell's murder. 13:10.079 --> 13:12.079 [quiet, emotional music playing] 13:13.959 --> 13:15.120 [sighs heavily] 13:19.360 --> 13:21.360 [music fades] 13:23.959 --> 13:25.480 [Alex] You kept your promise. 13:27.640 --> 13:30.400 -You got me to 18, all in one piece. -[softly] Hmm. 13:33.079 --> 13:34.360 And are you? 13:37.000 --> 13:39.400 -Am I what? -Well, uh… 13:40.560 --> 13:43.640 are you, um… in one piece? 13:46.360 --> 13:48.719 -[chuckles softly] Yeah, I think so. -Yeah? 13:49.240 --> 13:53.160 Okay. So you think you've… you've put it all behind you now? 13:53.880 --> 13:54.959 [Alex sighs] 13:55.599 --> 13:56.839 We really doing this now? 13:56.920 --> 13:59.440 The first thing they said to me was, "He needs honesty." 14:00.440 --> 14:02.640 And I've really tried to stick to that. I have. 14:02.719 --> 14:04.640 And honestly, Alex, 14:05.160 --> 14:06.520 adult to adult… 14:09.079 --> 14:10.480 I don't think you have. 14:11.400 --> 14:12.680 At all. 14:12.760 --> 14:15.240 -I just wanna get on with my life. -I know you do. 14:15.320 --> 14:17.160 Yeah, so stop living in the past. 14:17.240 --> 14:18.599 What does that mean, Alex? 14:18.680 --> 14:22.599 Do I just pretend… that it never happened, like you do? 14:24.479 --> 14:26.439 I know exactly what happened. I was there. 14:26.520 --> 14:28.479 I know, but you don't know who did it. 14:29.120 --> 14:30.719 Or why he's still free. 14:32.040 --> 14:33.839 We don't have the truth, Alex, 14:33.920 --> 14:37.680 and I think until we do, there can be no peace of mind. 14:37.760 --> 14:39.920 -Peace of mind? -For both of us. 14:41.160 --> 14:42.319 You might not get that. 14:42.920 --> 14:44.400 You're wasting your time. 14:45.240 --> 14:46.959 You need to come to terms with that. 14:47.520 --> 14:50.400 And just… get on with my life? 14:52.120 --> 14:55.520 Is that what you think you've been doing? Searching for answers in religion? 14:55.599 --> 14:58.199 It's not religion. It's faith. 14:59.800 --> 15:02.520 -And about finding your own path. -Hmm. 15:04.360 --> 15:05.439 Or maybe… 15:06.280 --> 15:08.520 maybe you're just distracting yourself. 15:10.199 --> 15:14.719 Whatever it is I'm doing, it… it's not your problem anymore. 15:20.360 --> 15:21.360 [quietly] Okay. 15:28.240 --> 15:29.560 [Ivan sighs] 15:32.319 --> 15:34.280 [rustling] 15:38.479 --> 15:40.520 -Sir? -What's that? 15:43.280 --> 15:44.280 Brown. 15:45.199 --> 15:47.199 As described by the witness. Okay. 15:47.839 --> 15:50.319 Okay. Uh, yeah, let's get them to the experts. 15:53.920 --> 15:55.000 Bloody hell. 15:57.280 --> 15:58.640 Right, yeah, grab that. 16:01.800 --> 16:04.040 [Tony] Well, you're definitely onto something. 16:04.880 --> 16:07.680 When Alex was examined on the day, they combed his hair 16:07.760 --> 16:10.760 and found several small shards of metallic paint. 16:11.400 --> 16:12.240 Red paint. 16:13.120 --> 16:14.880 How the fuck could that have transferred? 16:14.959 --> 16:18.520 We don't know if it did yet, but this was Napper's murder box, wasn't it? 16:18.599 --> 16:21.920 Even better, the samples from Alex's hair still exist. 16:22.599 --> 16:25.079 Right, so what's the bad news? There's always bad news. 16:25.160 --> 16:28.359 The more challenging news is that running the test on these shards 16:28.439 --> 16:32.079 will simultaneously destroy them. Basically, we get one shot. 16:32.160 --> 16:34.920 And if the test doesn't work, that evidence is lost forever. 16:35.000 --> 16:38.359 And we need a match on that and the shoes to be able to charge Napper. 16:38.439 --> 16:41.079 [Tony] Yeah. Oh, about the shoes. 16:41.160 --> 16:44.920 They haven't had a proper look yet, but they reckon the size is wrong. 16:45.520 --> 16:46.560 Fuck's sake. 16:46.640 --> 16:49.240 [Tony] However, they are taking them to the common 16:49.319 --> 16:51.800 to be tested under identical conditions. 16:51.880 --> 16:54.120 So… fingers crossed. 16:54.199 --> 16:56.760 Yeah, very fucking scientific. 16:56.839 --> 16:58.839 [suspenseful music playing] 17:10.240 --> 17:12.240 [music intensifies] 17:13.640 --> 17:14.599 [Ivan] Guv? 17:16.000 --> 17:17.040 Phone for you. 17:17.839 --> 17:20.359 -Forensics? -Says she'll only talk to you. 17:26.119 --> 17:28.119 [music fades] 17:31.800 --> 17:33.520 [woman] It's a court summons, Robert. 17:34.280 --> 17:37.320 The police are charging you with the murder of Rachel Nickell. 17:49.040 --> 17:50.120 We didn't do that. 17:52.520 --> 17:53.520 Okay. 17:57.000 --> 17:58.000 [sighs heavily] 17:59.320 --> 18:00.560 Who was on the phone? 18:04.760 --> 18:05.600 Dad? 18:06.200 --> 18:07.159 Um… 18:08.159 --> 18:09.120 It was the police. 18:12.159 --> 18:13.080 They charged him? 18:15.640 --> 18:16.720 [quietly] Mm-hmm. 18:17.240 --> 18:18.320 They, um… 18:19.280 --> 18:21.280 they want to know if we'll come to the trial. 18:22.520 --> 18:25.440 You're not seriously thinking of going after last time, right? 18:25.520 --> 18:27.760 I don't wanna trust someone else's word again. 18:30.120 --> 18:31.399 I need to see it for myself. 18:31.480 --> 18:33.960 -We both do. -The trial's got nothing to do with us. 18:34.040 --> 18:36.960 They're saying the likelihood of this DNA profile 18:37.040 --> 18:39.840 belonging to anyone other than this man is one in 12 million. 18:39.919 --> 18:40.880 I'm not going, Dad. 18:42.120 --> 18:44.000 That's final, and nor should you. 18:45.320 --> 18:47.320 [tense music playing] 18:49.720 --> 18:52.640 A 41-year-old man charged with the murder of Rachel Nickell 18:52.720 --> 18:54.040 has been remanded in custody. 18:54.120 --> 18:58.240 Robert Napper appeared by video link from Broadmoor Psychiatric Hospital. 18:58.320 --> 19:00.720 He was bailed until a hearing later this month. 19:00.800 --> 19:02.800 [tense music continues] 19:09.320 --> 19:11.320 [vehicle approaches, stops] 19:19.480 --> 19:21.480 [muffled voices] 19:24.600 --> 19:26.440 Dad? Dad? 19:28.960 --> 19:30.040 -Dad. -I know. I know. 19:30.120 --> 19:34.280 They've known where we were all along. They've been waiting for an excuse. 19:34.360 --> 19:36.720 I've tried to fight them, and it doesn't work. Stop. 19:36.800 --> 19:40.040 [man] André, I guarantee, talk to me and the rest will leave you alone. 19:40.120 --> 19:41.679 We've said all we're going to say. 19:41.760 --> 19:44.080 -You're wasting your time. -[man] Let's talk money. 19:44.159 --> 19:46.679 -Fuck you! -[man] Is that you, Alex? 19:46.760 --> 19:50.360 Look, the police have been called. You're trespassing. Just leave. Just go! 19:50.440 --> 19:53.760 They've been speaking to the neighbors. The whole town's gonna know. 19:53.840 --> 19:55.640 -So? -Alex, what about Anna? 19:55.720 --> 19:58.040 -What about her? -You haven't told her, have you? 19:58.120 --> 20:00.760 Okay, so shouldn't she hear it from you? 20:02.120 --> 20:04.520 [André breathes shakily] 20:12.760 --> 20:14.800 -[press shouting] -[man 1] Alex! Alex! 20:14.880 --> 20:17.960 [man 2] Alex, how you doing? It's Pete Collier at The Sun. 20:18.040 --> 20:20.120 I just need two minutes of your time. 20:20.200 --> 20:22.200 [shouting continues] 20:25.000 --> 20:27.080 [motorcycle revs] 20:30.600 --> 20:32.600 [poignant music playing] 20:35.080 --> 20:37.080 [music continues] 20:57.760 --> 20:59.880 [in Catalan] Your mum sounds amazing. 21:04.880 --> 21:06.960 [Alex] I do remember her face, but, 21:07.560 --> 21:10.120 most of all, I remember the feeling… 21:11.880 --> 21:14.600 of being completely loved by her 21:16.120 --> 21:17.480 and loving her completely. 21:18.040 --> 21:20.280 And I can still smell her. 21:20.919 --> 21:22.919 I kept a bottle of her perfume. 21:24.960 --> 21:26.440 Why didn't you tell me sooner? 21:28.360 --> 21:30.080 It's a different lifetime. 21:31.240 --> 21:33.760 And I'm not used to talking about it. 21:35.480 --> 21:37.520 My father has always been so… 21:39.040 --> 21:40.200 [exhales heavily] 21:40.280 --> 21:41.960 That bag by the front door… 21:42.560 --> 21:45.040 Always ready to run if… 21:45.720 --> 21:47.360 And now they've found you. 21:47.960 --> 21:49.320 So what happens next? 21:51.320 --> 21:52.200 [Alex sighs] 21:52.280 --> 21:54.280 This time, I won't run. 22:03.000 --> 22:05.840 I know lots of people have been asking questions. 22:07.320 --> 22:08.919 You understand why, don't you? 22:11.360 --> 22:12.960 They know he's a millionaire. 22:13.040 --> 22:15.919 That's why they keep coming back. They know about his family. 22:16.439 --> 22:18.399 And what about your family, Bob? 22:19.240 --> 22:21.040 I'd like to know more about them. 22:24.520 --> 22:27.320 They're all in the Who's Who book. 22:28.720 --> 22:31.640 I know that your father was very special to you. 22:32.159 --> 22:33.480 You looked up to him. 22:36.240 --> 22:37.840 Well, they don't believe that… 22:37.919 --> 22:41.960 that I… that he… won the Nobel Peace Prize. 22:42.040 --> 22:44.399 That's because he didn't tell them everything. 22:45.640 --> 22:47.720 He left you, your father, didn't he? 22:47.800 --> 22:49.520 Some of the numbers, they doubled. 22:50.040 --> 22:54.240 So those years would have felt twice as long as they should have. 22:54.320 --> 22:57.360 I've noticed you've been very preoccupied lately 22:57.439 --> 22:59.880 with the numbers and other thoughts. 22:59.960 --> 23:01.520 But why do you think that is? 23:02.480 --> 23:04.560 What are you so scared of, Bob? 23:07.320 --> 23:10.280 All the money's in the bank. In Sidcup. 23:11.720 --> 23:13.560 All the money from Star Wars. 23:15.640 --> 23:18.240 [sighs softly] I'd like to talk about Rachel. 23:19.600 --> 23:20.960 I think it might help. 23:22.000 --> 23:26.880 I'm not gonna ask you if you killed her. That's not my job as your psychiatrist. 23:26.960 --> 23:30.480 My job is to help you face the truth. 23:31.960 --> 23:35.960 You might think that means you… staying here for longer. 23:37.000 --> 23:38.520 Maybe even forever. 23:39.040 --> 23:40.560 But in a different way, 23:41.840 --> 23:42.919 it could free you. 23:44.080 --> 23:47.760 I think… this could be a real chance, Bob. 23:48.439 --> 23:50.560 For you to start really progressing. 23:53.399 --> 23:54.760 What about Rachel's family? 23:55.840 --> 23:59.640 I'm sure it'll mean a great deal for them to know the truth. 24:03.040 --> 24:04.679 What about that little boy? 24:06.840 --> 24:09.439 Doesn't he deserve to know what happened to his mother? 24:12.439 --> 24:14.800 And what about the little boy inside you, Bob? 24:14.880 --> 24:17.120 [quiet, poignant music playing] 24:18.919 --> 24:20.520 He's still there, isn't he? 24:26.439 --> 24:27.840 What does he deserve? 24:31.360 --> 24:33.360 [music continues] 24:39.640 --> 24:40.880 [Alex sighs softly] 24:44.280 --> 24:46.480 [indistinct, overlapping shouting] 24:49.399 --> 24:51.320 [cameras clicking] 24:51.399 --> 24:56.120 Where's Alex? Has he gone back to London? Has he gone back to the trial? 24:56.640 --> 24:58.919 [woman] Do you think you'll get justice this time? 25:00.120 --> 25:04.280 -Where's Alex? Where is he? -[man] We just wanna talk! André! 25:05.520 --> 25:07.600 [woman 2] André, we just wanna clear this up. 25:08.679 --> 25:10.679 [poignant music playing] 25:14.600 --> 25:15.840 [André sighs quietly] 25:22.040 --> 25:22.919 [sighs] 25:24.880 --> 25:26.040 Mr. Hanscombe. 25:27.080 --> 25:31.960 André. Commander Campbell. Sorry to have kept you waiting so long. 25:33.159 --> 25:35.000 We agreed to meet hours ago. 25:35.080 --> 25:36.360 Something came up. 25:36.960 --> 25:38.360 Please, take a seat. 25:42.399 --> 25:44.000 -I remember you. -Really? 25:45.240 --> 25:49.240 Perhaps. Although I was only ever on the periphery of the original inquiry. 25:50.000 --> 25:52.040 I wanted to see you because… [sighs] 25:52.120 --> 25:54.800 …I feel you should hear certain facts 25:54.880 --> 25:56.679 before we tell the media. 25:57.560 --> 25:58.640 Facts? 25:59.360 --> 26:00.360 About Mr. Napper. 26:01.399 --> 26:05.360 It appears he had some contact with various authorities as a child 26:05.439 --> 26:08.040 and later, prior to his most serious crimes. 26:08.120 --> 26:10.280 I want to assure you 26:10.360 --> 26:14.480 that he only came to police attention for relatively minor offenses. 26:14.560 --> 26:16.640 However… [sighs] 26:16.720 --> 26:20.320 …I'm afraid we can only expect our friends in the media, 26:20.399 --> 26:22.080 I know you have a history with them, 26:22.600 --> 26:25.439 to make much of what is in reality very little. 26:26.480 --> 26:30.560 So are you saying that… you knew of him before the murders? 26:31.159 --> 26:33.520 Hindsight is a wonderful thing, André. 26:34.320 --> 26:35.760 But the truth is, 26:35.840 --> 26:39.280 nobody could have foreseen the true extent of Napper's offenses. 26:39.800 --> 26:41.320 Now, I urge you 26:41.960 --> 26:45.199 not to engage with the media around this for your own sake. 26:46.120 --> 26:48.960 You know what they're like. The most important thing now 26:49.040 --> 26:51.760 is for you and your son to get the justice you deserve. 26:52.360 --> 26:53.960 That should be the sole focus. 26:54.520 --> 26:55.679 For all of us. 26:58.240 --> 26:59.320 Thank you for coming. 27:08.159 --> 27:10.159 -[emotional music playing] -[door closes] 27:14.640 --> 27:17.159 -[tense music playing] -[hushed chattering] 27:31.880 --> 27:32.720 Hi. 27:37.080 --> 27:38.320 [indistinct speech] 27:51.120 --> 27:53.120 [music intensifies] 28:04.360 --> 28:06.159 [man] Silence in court. 28:06.240 --> 28:07.159 Please stand. 28:12.439 --> 28:13.919 [woman] Please be seated. 28:18.760 --> 28:20.360 Will the accused please stand? 28:27.840 --> 28:29.320 Robert Clive Napper, 28:29.840 --> 28:33.720 you are charged that on 15th July, 1992, 28:34.439 --> 28:36.720 at Wimbledon Common, London, 28:36.800 --> 28:39.720 you did murder Rachel Nickell. 28:40.240 --> 28:41.360 How do you plead? 28:44.679 --> 28:45.879 Not guilty 28:46.720 --> 28:47.840 to murder. 28:50.320 --> 28:51.280 But… 28:53.120 --> 28:54.679 guilty to 28:55.360 --> 28:57.360 diminished responsibility. 28:59.720 --> 29:02.159 Sorry. Guilty to 29:02.919 --> 29:06.199 manslaughter by diminished responsibility. 29:06.280 --> 29:08.280 [shocked muttering in courtroom] 29:12.720 --> 29:17.280 Mr. Napper has suffered from Asperger's syndrome since childhood 29:17.360 --> 29:20.000 and then latterly paranoid schizophrenia. 29:21.240 --> 29:26.280 But his psychosis has been evident as early as 1989, 29:26.360 --> 29:31.360 when he was admitted to the hospital following an attempt to take his own life. 29:32.520 --> 29:35.120 [woman 2] He believes he has telepathic powers. 29:35.840 --> 29:39.760 He also talks about being kneecapped by the IRA 29:39.840 --> 29:43.000 and that his fingers were blown off while defusing a bomb. 29:43.520 --> 29:48.000 The fingers, he says, have regrown because he inhaled sparkle fumes. 29:49.679 --> 29:51.360 [judge] Mr. Napper, please stand. 29:55.120 --> 29:57.760 You stabbed Rachel a total of 49 times. 29:57.840 --> 30:00.120 All the while, Alex was there. 30:00.639 --> 30:03.720 The marks on his face prove that, in my judgment, 30:03.800 --> 30:06.280 you dragged him away from his mother. 30:06.360 --> 30:09.800 That he was not killed, as you were to later kill Jazmine Bisset, 30:09.879 --> 30:14.199 is almost certainly explained by your anxiety not to be caught 30:14.280 --> 30:16.080 by staying too long. 30:17.000 --> 30:19.120 Now in early adulthood, 30:19.199 --> 30:21.679 Alex knows the man who killed his mother 30:21.760 --> 30:25.919 has been brought, albeit belatedly, to justice. 30:27.600 --> 30:34.360 It may be that he can now close a long-drawn-out chapter in his life. 30:36.800 --> 30:39.919 You are, in my view, a very dangerous man. 30:40.879 --> 30:43.240 You must be returned immediately to Broadmoor, 30:43.320 --> 30:45.000 and you will never be released 30:45.080 --> 30:48.240 unless you are no longer a danger to the public. 30:49.320 --> 30:52.080 That is unlikely ever to happen. 30:53.480 --> 30:55.439 Do you have anything to say? 30:57.520 --> 31:02.000 My client would like to apologize to the friends and family of Rachel Nickell 31:02.080 --> 31:03.720 for the dreadful thing that he did, 31:03.800 --> 31:07.480 and also to Colin Stagg, who was wrongfully accused of the murder. 31:08.760 --> 31:09.919 [judge] Take him down. 31:10.000 --> 31:12.000 [murmuring in courtroom] 31:19.159 --> 31:22.679 Will someone… say sorry to the little boy? 31:22.760 --> 31:25.120 [soft, emotional music playing] 31:32.720 --> 31:34.399 [whispers indistinctly] 31:41.840 --> 31:43.320 [Campbell] Ah, André. 31:45.360 --> 31:47.159 Trust you're happy with the verdict? 31:48.280 --> 31:50.560 You can finally put it all behind you now, eh? 31:52.159 --> 31:56.080 Assistant Commissioner Yates is going to say a few words to the media. 31:57.760 --> 32:00.360 Wanted to make sure there was nothing you'd like to add. 32:01.600 --> 32:04.560 After all these years, this is all you have to say? 32:06.080 --> 32:07.399 I'm sorry? 32:07.480 --> 32:09.360 Why has this taken so long, Commander? 32:11.159 --> 32:14.600 You could have stopped him before he killed anyone. Couldn't you? 32:15.679 --> 32:16.879 -I think-- -Couldn't you? 32:19.399 --> 32:21.480 So, no, I've got nothing to say. 32:22.000 --> 32:24.840 Not to them and certainly not to you. 32:29.800 --> 32:33.840 And a man has admitted the manslaughter of Rachel Nickell. 32:33.919 --> 32:37.240 In a shocking admission, police say that Napper could have been stopped. 32:37.320 --> 32:39.320 They missed several chances to arrest him. 32:39.399 --> 32:42.639 At last, we can finally say 32:42.719 --> 32:46.679 that we have achieved justice for Rachel and her family. 32:46.760 --> 32:49.080 Turning now to Mr. Colin Stagg. 32:49.159 --> 32:53.959 In August, 1993, he was wrongly accused of Rachel's murder, 32:54.040 --> 32:56.679 and I today apologize to him, 32:56.760 --> 33:00.959 and we also recognize the huge and lasting impact 33:01.040 --> 33:03.080 that this has had on his life. 33:03.639 --> 33:06.520 It's also now proper to recognize 33:06.600 --> 33:10.320 the dedicated and professional work of the current investigation team 33:10.399 --> 33:12.560 that has brought us to this point. 33:12.639 --> 33:15.919 They have been unstinting in their attention to detail 33:16.000 --> 33:19.040 and their determination over a number of years 33:19.120 --> 33:23.080 to find the evidence that has finally brought Robert Napper to justice. 33:23.959 --> 33:27.800 [man] What has emerged today is how Napper evaded capture, 33:27.879 --> 33:32.800 due more to the institutional incompetence of the Metropolitan Police 33:32.879 --> 33:34.679 than the killer's guile. 33:37.000 --> 33:40.439 Why would the killer apologize if it made no difference to his sentence? 33:40.520 --> 33:42.879 That man's not very well, Alex. 33:43.399 --> 33:45.080 We've known that for a long time. 33:46.120 --> 33:48.240 I'm not sure he even knows why he said it. 33:48.840 --> 33:49.959 [Alex exhales softly] 33:54.040 --> 33:56.919 [Anna, in Catalan] You're still looking for something, aren't you? 33:57.679 --> 33:59.600 I really don't need more advice. 34:00.320 --> 34:01.320 Has the trial… 34:01.399 --> 34:03.760 [scoffs] The trial means nothing to me. 34:04.959 --> 34:06.840 What about Robert Napper? 34:09.719 --> 34:12.319 If it was me, I think what I'd be asking is, why? 34:13.000 --> 34:14.360 "Why" what? 34:14.880 --> 34:16.440 Why did he do what he did? 34:16.960 --> 34:18.120 Because he's ill? 34:20.400 --> 34:22.480 He still made a choice. 34:23.560 --> 34:24.839 But why? 34:25.839 --> 34:27.719 You deserve an explanation. 34:27.799 --> 34:29.960 [emotional music building] 34:40.360 --> 34:41.600 [knocking at door] 34:41.679 --> 34:43.679 [music continues] 34:46.360 --> 34:47.920 -[in Catalan] Hello -Mr. Hanscombe. 34:48.000 --> 34:49.600 Thank you. Have a good day. 35:26.640 --> 35:28.880 -[siren wails] -[music continues] 35:29.720 --> 35:31.120 [car horn beeps nearby] 35:39.839 --> 35:42.520 -[music fades] -[distant siren wails] 35:46.640 --> 35:47.720 Dr. Monroe. 35:48.600 --> 35:51.560 -Could I talk to you? -[Monroe] I'm running late, I'm afraid. 35:51.640 --> 35:55.799 You used to treat Robert Napper, didn't you? You were one of his doctors. 35:55.880 --> 35:58.400 I've said everything I'm gonna say to the press. 35:58.480 --> 36:00.120 [Alex] No, I'm not the press. I'm… 36:00.200 --> 36:03.760 I'm… I'm Alex Hanscombe. Rachel Nickell's son. 36:04.839 --> 36:07.319 I just need 15 minutes of your time, please. 36:09.960 --> 36:14.080 I can't tell you anything that's not already in the public domain. 36:14.600 --> 36:18.240 Well, you could tell me who he is and what he's like. 36:19.120 --> 36:20.799 There's very little to tell. 36:21.560 --> 36:25.520 I heard he was badly bullied at school. His mum and dad fought a lot. 36:25.600 --> 36:27.440 Well, that's an understatement. 36:28.160 --> 36:30.640 Robert was the eldest, and 36:31.680 --> 36:35.400 he and his mother bore the brunt of his father's drunken violence. 36:36.360 --> 36:40.040 Robert's Asperger's was undiagnosed for most of his childhood, 36:40.120 --> 36:42.640 adding to his isolation. 36:43.280 --> 36:47.080 And around the age of 12, he was seriously assaulted. 36:47.160 --> 36:49.040 It's a matter of record. 36:49.560 --> 36:51.200 The man was charged. 36:51.280 --> 36:55.120 Robert was raped in woodland by a family friend. 36:56.839 --> 36:58.400 Why did he attack women? 36:59.080 --> 37:03.960 Why did he target mothers with children? I can't tell you because I don't know. 37:04.560 --> 37:06.680 I know you don't have the answers. 37:06.760 --> 37:10.319 What I mean is, Robert's never talked about his crimes. 37:10.839 --> 37:12.319 Not to anyone, as far as I know. 37:14.120 --> 37:15.760 I think it's possible 37:15.839 --> 37:19.440 that he was violently angry with his mother for his father leaving. 37:20.880 --> 37:23.720 And he was punishing her again and again 37:24.319 --> 37:27.200 in the shape of women who were being maternal 37:27.880 --> 37:31.760 in a way that he never really experienced. 37:33.240 --> 37:34.839 So what you're saying is… 37:36.920 --> 37:38.760 my mother was his mother? 37:39.920 --> 37:40.920 Possibly. 37:42.040 --> 37:44.520 It may also be why he allowed you to live. 37:46.319 --> 37:47.560 Because you were him. 37:49.720 --> 37:51.040 Does he remember? 37:53.319 --> 37:54.920 Remember what happened to him? 37:56.799 --> 37:57.920 I believe so. 37:58.440 --> 38:00.799 Though he has few childhood memories. 38:03.720 --> 38:08.080 Traumatized and neglected children often have poor autobiographical memory, 38:08.160 --> 38:10.799 and events that others can recall, 38:10.880 --> 38:12.720 like birthdays, 38:12.799 --> 38:13.839 Christmas, 38:14.359 --> 38:15.960 mostly never happened. 38:17.040 --> 38:18.600 So there's a void. 38:21.040 --> 38:22.839 I have plenty of memories 38:23.359 --> 38:25.200 from before and after that day. 38:26.520 --> 38:27.520 Then 38:28.160 --> 38:32.040 you were probably made to feel safe and loved. 38:32.120 --> 38:34.120 [soft, emotional music playing] 38:40.200 --> 38:41.400 [Alex sighs] 38:50.359 --> 38:51.440 [André] Alex. 38:52.400 --> 38:53.480 Hey. 38:54.760 --> 38:56.720 -What's that? -Um… 38:57.440 --> 38:59.920 I wasn't sure whether to show you, to be honest, um, 39:00.000 --> 39:01.799 but it was addressed to both of us. 39:02.480 --> 39:05.839 It's been sent anonymously from inside the Crown Prosecution Service. 39:06.480 --> 39:08.560 It seems the police didn't tell us everything. 39:10.680 --> 39:15.120 All of this makes up a detailed account of every chance they missed… 39:15.200 --> 39:16.799 Sit down. Um… 39:16.880 --> 39:19.359 Every chance they missed to stop the killer 39:19.440 --> 39:22.960 before he attacked you and your mother and up to a hundred other women. 39:23.640 --> 39:26.120 There's so much more than the press has covered. 39:26.200 --> 39:29.880 Like, for example, in 1989, his own mother phoned the police 39:29.960 --> 39:33.440 and told them that he'd confessed to rape, and it just wasn't followed up. 39:34.600 --> 39:36.560 And then a year after he killed your mother, 39:36.640 --> 39:39.160 the police caught him in the garden of a woman's home, 39:39.240 --> 39:41.440 and they gave him a lift back to his flat. 39:41.520 --> 39:44.799 And then three months later, he murdered Jazmine and Samantha Bisset. 39:44.880 --> 39:47.880 It just goes on and on, mistake after mistake. 39:47.960 --> 39:49.960 Missed opportunity after missed opportunity-- 39:50.040 --> 39:54.280 So is this what you've been hoping for? Does this finally bring you peace of mind? 39:54.359 --> 39:55.560 No, Alex, it's just… 39:56.200 --> 39:58.200 They failed all of us, and this proves it. 39:58.280 --> 40:01.080 There's blood on their hands as well as the killer's. 40:01.160 --> 40:02.560 Well, maybe he was failed too. 40:03.720 --> 40:04.720 Sorry? 40:05.359 --> 40:07.359 I didn't tell you why I went to London. 40:07.440 --> 40:10.080 -I met with a doctor… who treated him. -A doctor? 40:10.160 --> 40:12.640 You met with his psychiatrist. Why? Alex… 40:12.720 --> 40:15.080 It seems terrible things did happen to the killer too. 40:15.160 --> 40:18.120 -That doesn't condone this. -Maybe worse than what we-- 40:18.200 --> 40:21.200 Don't dare compare yourself to him. You are nothing like this man. 40:21.280 --> 40:23.240 That's the point! [sighs heavily] 40:23.319 --> 40:24.960 It's hard to make good choices 40:25.040 --> 40:28.799 when you don't have someone who cares for you. I've always had that. 40:30.640 --> 40:33.440 I had my mother, and whatever happened, I've always had you. 40:35.000 --> 40:38.240 I once told you that I don't respect you, Dad, and I meant it. 40:39.799 --> 40:41.319 I don't feel that way anymore. 40:43.280 --> 40:46.040 I've got nothing but respect for what you've done for me. 40:47.280 --> 40:48.440 You kept me alive. 40:50.560 --> 40:51.760 No, Alex, you… 40:53.280 --> 40:54.640 you kept me alive. 40:56.440 --> 40:58.359 We have to focus now on what we've gained. 41:00.359 --> 41:01.880 It's the only way forward now. 41:02.760 --> 41:05.560 -[André sighs softly] -[soft, emotional music playing] 41:10.440 --> 41:12.640 Your mother would be so proud of you. 41:17.040 --> 41:18.359 [André sighs heavily] 41:18.440 --> 41:19.600 Well, maybe… 41:20.880 --> 41:22.400 maybe this is how we do it. 41:23.359 --> 41:24.359 Do what? 41:25.960 --> 41:29.400 Maybe this is how we turn a negative into a positive. 41:31.080 --> 41:31.920 How? 41:32.520 --> 41:35.799 Well, I don't know yet, Alex, but… 41:37.960 --> 41:40.839 whatever it is, I know I can't do it without you. 41:54.720 --> 41:57.960 [Alex] All my life, people have said that my mother's killer spared me, 41:58.560 --> 42:00.160 gave me a second chance. 42:01.839 --> 42:04.160 But I don't believe he let me live. 42:07.640 --> 42:08.920 I believe love did that. 42:11.920 --> 42:13.799 Quite interesting to see, isn't it? 42:13.880 --> 42:17.280 Can you do some more riding of your fire engine for me? 42:18.200 --> 42:19.359 What's that? 42:20.240 --> 42:22.400 -[André] What have you got? -[Rachel] What's in the back? 42:22.920 --> 42:24.359 -[Alex] Hammer. -[Rachel] Hammer? 42:24.440 --> 42:25.760 [André] Should I… Alex? 42:25.839 --> 42:26.799 [Alex] Yes. 42:28.040 --> 42:29.880 [Alex babbles] 42:29.960 --> 42:33.880 [Rachel] Come on, Sam, let's go down to the bandstand at the double. 42:35.240 --> 42:37.520 Off we go. Bye! 42:41.080 --> 42:42.760 [André] I'm behind you. 42:43.880 --> 42:48.040 -[Rachel] I don't think you are there. -[Alex] I love you. 42:49.240 --> 42:51.720 [soft, poignant music playing] 43:44.960 --> 43:46.960 [music fades] 43:50.280 --> 43:52.640 [solemn instrumental music playing] e. -[Alex] I love you.