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The time is 13:45 hours

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on Wednesday, the 30th of December.

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You've been arrested
on suspicion of Section 3 RTA 1988.

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My mum was going, "Any update?"

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None.

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So we were just literally
both sitting in the kitchen

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watching my mobile phone and house phone,
waiting for the police to call.

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As Procurator Fiscal Head of Homicide,

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I had knowledge of every murder
and suspicious death

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that occurred across Scotland.

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A huge amount of resource was put in
to try to find Tony Parsons,

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and there was not
a single trace of him anywhere.

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Dr. Muirhead coming forward was the first
lead the police had had in years.

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So I instructed the police
to arrest the McKellar brothers.

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Armed police! Stand still!

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People started to privately
message me on Facebook

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saying, "My gosh,
what happened to the boys? Are they okay?"

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Show your hands! On the ground!

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The boys were taken
by officers in balaclavas

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to the police station for questioning.

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Your name?

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Alexander Gardner McKellar.

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What's your age?

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Twenty-nine.

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I was thinking, "It's still not too late."

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"If you go and confess,
you can do the right thing,

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and this ordeal would be over."

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What is it you do? Self-employed?

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Farmer. Anything to do
with the farm, really.

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Okay.

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You didn't show that man any kindness
at the time,

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but you can show kindness now.

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It might be late,
but it's better late than never.

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You'll be asked
about your involvement in offenses

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under Section 3A
of the Road Traffic Act 1988.

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That is causing the death of another

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using a vehicle
whilst unfit through drink or drugs.

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We understand that he's told Dr. Muirhead
precisely what has happened.

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So, potentially,
potentially he might tell the police.

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You're not bound to answer, but if you do,

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your answers will be recorded,

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may be noted and may be used
in evidence, understand?

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Yeah.

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Two detectives arrived
at my parents' front door.

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They said, "We need to sit down
and have a conversation."

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I had this horrible feeling
in my stomach that this has gone wrong.

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Have you ever been involved
in a road accident involving a cyclist?

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No comment.

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Have you been involved
in a crime and tried to cover it up?

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No comment.

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Can you tell me what you were doing

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on Friday, the 29th of September, 2017?

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No comment.

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Caroline Muirhead told us Sandy said
he'd knocked Mr. Parsons down

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and that he was buried on the estate.

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Do you know where Anthony Parsons is?

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But until the body of Tony Parsons
is found and then recovered,

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there is nothing whatsoever to show

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that that was a truthful statement.

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Did you see Anthony Parsons at all?

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No comment.

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Were you the last person to see him alive?

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No comment.

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There was no basis
at that time to charge them.

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The detective said, "We didn't have enough
to hold them, we had to release them."

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And my brain's just going,

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"Fuck."

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Then she went, "Don't worry,
we maintained your anonymity."

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And I was like,
"Who else do they think it's gonna be?"

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"We seized the estate,
so the boys won't be allowed back there."

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I said, "Where will they go?"

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"That's none of your concern, Caroline."

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It is when he's obviously
gonna get in touch with me.

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If you've just released him,
he's gonna get in touch.

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"Well, you tell him that
you've just heard that he's been arrested,

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and you've got your job,
and you don't wanna deal with him."

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That's not gonna fly.
I've told this guy I wanna marry him.

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"What if he turns up
at my parents' house?"

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"You call the police."
Well, then it's a bit too late, isn't it?

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Witness protection
is all about a risk assessment

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of the level of threat
that the individual poses.

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This isn't a serious
and organized crime group

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who are about to go
and shoot other rivals.

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The police advised Dr. Muirhead
to stay with her parents,

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to call them if she had
any contact from the McKellar brothers.

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They plainly felt that that was sufficient
in the circumstances to ensure her safety.

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Caroline said,
"You've gotta get alarms for the house."

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"You've gotta get door locks,
you've gotta get window locks."

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And she was totally panicking.

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She was frightened.

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What's to stop him
turning up at my mum and dad's front door?

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What is he thinking?

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Does he think this was me?

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What have the police said to him?

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Would he harm me?

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This man was trained
to kill professionally.

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And so I felt fucking terrified.

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The police were told
by Dr. Muirhead she left a Red Bull can

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at the spot that
Sandy McKellar said he'd buried the body.

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So we followed
the directions provided by Dr. Muirhead.

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You drive down
into the estate onto a rough track,

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crossing a ford and up into a hilly area.

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It's exceptionally remote.

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We were being kept abreast of matters
as they were happening.

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The first thing the police did
was to go search the area

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to see whether there was a Red Bull can.

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And lo and behold, there was.

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If the body of Tony Parsons isn't
underneath or near to the Red Bull can…

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…the chances of us finding it
are negligible to zero.

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You couldn't possibly search
the whole estate.

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If we don't find the body,
there is no case.

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There's no basis upon which the McKellars
can be re-arrested and re-questioned.

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I said to my mum I was gonna go stay
at a friend's, but I lied.

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I didn't want to put them in danger
or put them to any harm.

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I went back to my flat
'cause I just wanted to be on my own.

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When I arrived back,
there was a parcel waiting for me.

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And I knew it was gonna be one thing.

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Inside the box was the wedding dress
that his mum and I had ordered online,

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there in all its glory.

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I thought, "Do you know what?"

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"Fuck it, let's wear it."

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Too big.

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Heh.

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Oh, well.

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And I was just spiraling.

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And I think in my, sort of,

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pathetic way,

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I wanted to see
what it would've felt like…

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to wear it.

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Stupid as that sounds.

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You kind of have those moments
where you think, you know,

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"I wonder,
if this was an alternate timeline,

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what may have been
and what could've happened."

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You know it's not your reality,
but you like to daydream

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because just for those few minutes,

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it just takes you to a nicer,
happier place.

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Suddenly, I get a message
pop up in my inbox

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from Robert and Sandy's friend.

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Click on it…

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And the message says, "Hi, Caroline,
Robert and Sandy are with me."

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"They've come to stay with me
and my family an hour from Glasgow."

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They've seen that I've read the messages.
"Fuck, fuck, fuck, shit."

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They were clearly on their phone
the same time I was on my phone.

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And they're waiting on you to reply.

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If I don't answer
that message immediately,

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and immediately say,
"I miss you, I love you,"

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it'd be so obvious
that I'd been the one to betray him.

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Before I knew it, the phone is ringing.

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And they'll know
that the phone is in my hand ringing.

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You have to answer it.

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You just go,

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"Fuck."

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"Hi."

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I said, "I got messages from your friends
saying that you've been arrested."

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"What the hell is going on?"

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"Caroline, I've been trying to reach you.
I'm so worried about you."

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He went, "I think we've been
under surveillance for ages."

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"Robert's definitely opened
his stupid mouth when he's been drinking."

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"But, end of the day, Robert and I said,
'No comment' to everything, so it's fine."

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So I'm actually getting
this sense of hope, in some ways,

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that maybe the police kept me anonymous.

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Unless he's playing
a really, really dark, twisted game here,

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he can't know that
it was me who went to the police.

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And he was like,
"You've got your flat in Glasgow."

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And he was like, "When can we head over?"

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I'd resigned myself
to never hear from him again.

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My brain was…
in these two conflicting worlds.

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I missed him.
I wanted to see if he was okay.

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But also, inviting him over to my flat

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means I'm putting myself
in a really precarious situation.

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But as mental as it sounds,

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I said yes.

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You're standing
behind the door thinking,

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"This is either the best way to be safe

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or the most stupid thing
you've ever done."

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"And the most recklessly dangerous thing
you've ever done."

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You've got these big six-foot men
walking up a wee small corridor,

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looming into the viewfinder.

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I remember thinking, "Look happy."

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"Because you are happy to see them,

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because they were just arrested, released,
so you'll be so happy they weren't held,

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so relieved."

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"Embrace them, be warm with them,
laugh with them, comfort them."

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"'Cause otherwise, you're fucked."

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Body language tells you a lot.

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And he just seemed
genuinely relieved to see me.

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In that moment,

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I felt the heat was off.

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So you're thinking,

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"Good, this is okay,
this is fine, this is not bad."

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But then you're also thinking,

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"I need to be clever about this

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and create a plan in my own head
of how to survive this."

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I needed to keep them in good spirits

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as much as I possibly could
until they found the body.

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Right, music on,
pass the drink, pass the cigarette,

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let's have a party.

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We used substances and we drank,

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and drugs and alcohol
let you be a separate, different person.

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All the while,
they have no idea that I'm the one

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who instigated that entire police arrest.

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You're literally living
on the knife's edge.

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I don't know
how long this is going to take,

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and I'm starting to panic
that maybe Sandy actually got it wrong.

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And what if he isn't there?

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What if they're searching
and maybe they don't find him?

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Please, God, let the body be there.

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I got a phone call from the senior
investigating officer in this case.

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They'd got some witness information
that they might know

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where the missing cyclist, Mr. Parsons,
might be located.

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And I was asked, could I go along

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to see if there were any clues
from the soil or the vegetation

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that might support this witness statement?

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Cancer survivor, Tony Parsons,
had been crossing Scotland

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in a 100-mile charity cycle.

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Everyone remembered on the news,
just a few years previously,

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Mr. Parsons had been on a charity cycle
from Fort William to Tillicoultry,

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and he just vanished without a trace.

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Here in September 2017,

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the Navy veteran was captured on CCTV

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weaving through the rural roads.

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As we walked over the area,

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I could see that there was
an area that was devoid of vegetation.

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What we were finding
was that the older peat,

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the amorphous, mushy peat,

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was actually very near the surface,

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and so this area
had indeed been recently dug up.

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This was the place
where Mr. Parsons might be.

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So at that stage,
the forensic team has to be put together.

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So that would involve
an appropriately skilled digger driver,

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skilled forensic archaeologists,

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the forensic anthropologists.

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An exhumation isn't something
that happens quickly.

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You have to do it
in a very controlled, measured way,

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just as an archaeologist would do
in an ancient site.

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The Auch Estate is extremely remote,

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and it was the depths of winter,

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so it was plainly something
that was going to take a period of time.

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The days are going by,
waiting for that man to be found.

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It was so cold that the canal had frozen
outside my front window,

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so everyone was trying to stay indoors
and keep warm.

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You're living with killers,
sleeping alongside killers.

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You're having dinner alongside killers.
Killers who think you're on their side.

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And you've betrayed them.

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Searches for a cyclist
who went missing more than three years ago

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are continuing in the Highlands.

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Their fear was also palpable
about what was gonna happen to them.

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Everything's on high alert.

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Police say their investigation continues,

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and are once again urging
anyone with information to come forward.

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Their phone beeped,
you'd jump out your skin.

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I didn't know if a message would come
that said, "It was Caroline."

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It was exhausting.

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At one point, Robert signaled to me
that he wanted to have a chat.

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I'm thinking,
"What the hell is this gonna be about?"

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He looked so sad
and, like, empty, you know?

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He said, "Caroline,
I don't know what Sandy's told you."

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"But you have to understand,
when we hit that man…

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…it happened very fast,

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and he flew over the car."

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"We got out,
and when we walked towards him,

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he was alive."

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I thought he had been killed on impact.

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Fuck.

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He was saying it as if,
like, unburdening yourself.

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And Robert said that he moved him
to the side of the road with the bike,

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so they could change vehicles
and come back.

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And I was like, "Robert, so you left him
alone on the side of the road?"

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He was like, "Of course we did."

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And the thought
of that man being in agony,

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and you hide them from any passing car

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that may come down
that could help them or save them,

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that is a cruelty to another
which was so needless.

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If you'd called an ambulance,
and he passed away before it arrived,

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at least you've tried.

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He said, "We went back,

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changed cars,

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left our SIM cards…

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changed our clothes,

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put gloves on."

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"We went back,

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and he was still alive,

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but weakening, fading."

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They carefully lifted him into a tarpaulin
and then drove him back,

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and they kept him
overnight in a wooded area.

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And then that same vehicle was used
by the hunting clients the next day.

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Then they buried Tony Parsons
once the clients had left.

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And so whether it was an accident or not,

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all your actions, then, after it
are not accidental.

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And they're quite methodical,
and they're well planned out.

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And in my head,
this wasn't, then, a hit-and-run.

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This was…

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potentially a murder.

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Later that night,

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Sandy's sitting there,

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and he's starting to talk away,
having a cigarette,

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clearly in his memories,
and he's pondering things,

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and he's being quite open about the case.

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It occurred to me that

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if I was able to record
some of the stuff Sandy was saying,

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I would be able to help the police,

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and I might be able
to even record a confession.

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So that it could be over and finished.

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I've got my chess website out, playing,
and to the left it said, "Voice recorder."

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He would have zero idea
if I just clicked that record button.

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I'm playing the chess game
whilst it's recording in the background.

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What I find slightly weird
with you, Sandy, is, like,

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in some ways, you're so compassionate,
so loving, so friendly, so gentle.

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I can't imagine it.

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But then when I see you
when you've been drinking and stuff,

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I can see you guys doing it.

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I don't know.

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I don't know about anything anymore.

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It was a huge risk.

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Any point, he could've come
and put his arm around you

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and been like, "How's your game going?"

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The fact that
they're still questioning folk,

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and they're still trying
to divvy off everybody…

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It's not a clear-cut case.

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The thing that I think
you're going to get into trouble for…

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is the lack of empathy.

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Fucking hell, it's warm in here.

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I was starting to think,
"This won't work. This is going nowhere."

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So I tried to be more confrontational.

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How could you go out hunting
the next day and not be bothered?

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Like you must have been.

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How could you not be, though?

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It was either my life or his.

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My brain went,
"You've got it on recording,

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but stop now."

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I saw him walking over and I think,

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"This is now, potentially,
really not a safe situation."

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Can you get that?

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-What is it?
-It's my Deliveroo.

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I've got Red Bull and some cans.

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Healthy diet, yeah?

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When someone says,
"It's my life or theirs,"

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it was the admission I was so relieved
I had the voice recorder on for.

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But equally you're thinking,
"But then why is he not saying,

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'And I regret it,' or, 'I'm upset by it,'
or, 'I think about it'?"

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Was he actually someone
who cared that he'd done this?

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The extremes of the kindness
and the cruelty

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that both these twin boys had shown

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made me really wonder,

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what could have possibly happened
in their lifetime to make them that way?

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From 1999 to 2011,
I was a community police officer

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responsible for 79 square miles
of Argyll and Bute.

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It was community policing
in its original sense,

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back in the old days, you know,
the cop responsible for an area.

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And I fell in love with it.

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I had left the police,

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and I was aware of a missing person case.

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I think I was watching a local news story,

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and one mentioned the Bridge of Orchy,
and I'm like, "Well, that's my beat."

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Tony Parsons was cycling from Fort William

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back to his hometown of Tillicoultry

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when he went missing.

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So I'm interested.

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So I'm like, "Whoa. Stop, rewind, play.
What've we got here?"

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Police arrested two 29-year-old men

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in connection
with Mr. Parsons' disappearance.

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They were released
pending further inquiries.

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"Oh! They've arrested somebody."

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"That's good.
Arrested two people. Interesting."

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"I wonder who that is.
I wonder if it's who I think it is."

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I knew the McKellar brothers as boys.

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I would spend a lot of time
in the schools.

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Community policing,
stranger danger, cycling proficiency…

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I'd like to think
I meant something to them.

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I've certainly got the pictures
I think Robert drew of me, you know?

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I kept it. I had it on my office wall.
I've still got it. I'll show you.

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They were rough and ready.

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And I remember
having discussions in the school

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about maybe what the boys
were exposed to at home.

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It was enough
for the teacher to be concerned.

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I felt that that influence on the boys
came from the father,

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Tom McKellar.

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There was a couple of serious allegations.

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And the intelligence was enough for us
to get a warrant to search Auch Estate.

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And we found firearms
throughout the house.

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We found pistols.

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Now, pistols are illegal to own.

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And we found a firearm
within Sandy's bedroom.

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Having firearms strewed about your house,

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lying about
in your primary school kid's bedroom,

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this is serious now.

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And that resulted
in Tom McKellar getting prosecuted.

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From the age of 7,

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the familiarity with firearms…

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Holy shit!

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…the slaughtering of animals
and the disposal of animals…

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There seemed to be an acceptance
of that at too young an age.

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If you're exposed to it day and daily,

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it's gonna desensitize you
to taking a life.

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My thought at the time
when I was watching that newsreel was,

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"It is a good place to conceal a person."

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There's still bodies missing
here in Argyll that we haven't found.

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The priority was to take each zone,

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each layer of the soil,
centimeter by centimeter.

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Peat is dark.

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It's very dark brown.

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It's also, near the surface,
quite fibrous.

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So it hides things in it.

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We were looking for material
that had come from human origins,

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such as hair, fingernails,
any human-introduced material.

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When the archaeologists got further down,

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there were bones appearing.

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And what the anthropologists said was,

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"These look like deer bones."

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And what it turned out to be
was what is called a… a kill pit.

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Gamekeepers on that estate,
the McKellars, would have used this area

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to dispose of parts of the animals
that were not required.

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There had to be
a veterinary surgeon brought along

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to confirm that these were,
indeed, relatively fresh.

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These were consistent
with having been put in

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from the same time
that Mr. Parsons disappeared.

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But also, we were seeing an awful lot
of these little bits of wood chip.

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You wouldn't find wood chippings there.
It's not natural.

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They wouldn't be there
unless they'd been introduced.

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The question is, where did they come from?

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So we drove down
to the Auch Estate farmyard.

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As we were walking through that,
we saw a digger truck.

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When we looked at the bucket, within it,

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there was these wood chips.

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Those chippings were the same

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as the wood chips
that were found at the scene.

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What was particularly significant

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was the dimensions
between the teeth on the bucket.

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It was the same dimensions
that were measured

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between the marks
that were left at the peat bog.

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But only a few people would have
access to that particular vehicle.

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And two of those people
were the McKellar twins.

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We can trace the evidence
at the kill pit back to Robert and Sandy,

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but it's not enough to prove their guilt
because we had not found the body yet.

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Every day going past,

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I'm thinking,
"Surely they've got him by now."

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I have not heard
anything from the police, so…

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I was so at a loss
as to what was happening.

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And I felt like
I was in a state of permanent fear.

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And I'm lying in bed,
and I'm tossing and turning.

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And Sandy's snoring beside me.

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And then there was just this pounding.

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Like bang, bang, bang on the front door.

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"Shit! Shit! Fuck! Fuck!"

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I'm thinking, "The only people
who do that is the police."

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I'm like, jump out of the bed,

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close my bedroom door as fast as I can.

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And I go down the… go down my hall.

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There is the same female detective
who had been at my parents' house.

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Open the door ever so slightly.

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I'm like… "Can I speak to you downstairs?"

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"Who do you have in there?"

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"I need to speak to you
in the car, outside."

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"Why?"

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"Who's in there?"

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"Friends."

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"You're lying."

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Bang.

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And she opens up the door
where Robert was sleeping.

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She goes, "What the fuck, Caroline?!
You're our witness."

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And I'm thinking, "Did he hear that?"

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And the man goes in
and grabs Robert from the bed.

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She's storming into the bedroom
at the top, grabbing Sandy out of the bed.

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And they go,
"You're not supposed to be here,

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you're supposed to be
in care of friends in Aberfoyle."

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And Sandy goes, "I'm allowed to stay here.
This is my partner's house."

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I'm going, "Of course you're allowed
to stay here, Sandy, if you want to."

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And they went, "Right, you two,
you need to be out of here ASAP."

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And like that, they left.

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The police were checking on Caroline
to see if she was safe.

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I have no doubt they were astonished

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to discover the McKellars
were with her in the flat.

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Had she cut all contact with them,

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which she could readily have done,

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then, plainly,
she would have been rather safer.

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Personally, I'd have run a mile
to the nearest police station,

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and then I'd have kept on going
to a place of safety,

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and I would not have seen him again.

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I'm standing in my living room,
and Robert goes…

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"Caroline,

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how did she know your name?"

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"Have you met her before?
Does she know you?"

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"Have you spoken to the police?"

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"No, no. No, no, no, no."

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And Sandy, thankfully,
intervened and went, "Robert, back off."

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"Caroline would not do that to us."

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"She loves us. I trust her."

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And I could see, like,
Robert was so angry.

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Sandy's comforting Robert,
and they're hugging each other.

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Robert's like, "What'll we do?"

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Sandy's like, "Look, Robert,
it was three years ago."

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"If they had anything,
they'd have got us by now."

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"They're not gonna find him."

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"Even if they could
dig up that entire place,

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they're not gonna find him."

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Robert was like,
"Right, we need to get out of here now."

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And Sandy's then like,

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"I'm legally allowed
to stay with my fiancée."

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"They can't argue with that."

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Robert leaves to stay
with family friends outside of Glasgow,

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and Sandy and I are then left in the flat.

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He's like, "No, Caroline,
I know you would never, ever betray me."

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The way Sandy was defending me was so…

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weirdly comforting.

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To survive in that moment,

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I genuinely started to believe my own lie.

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I was the supportive girlfriend there,

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who'd also been treated badly
by the police.

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I was lying.

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I was betraying.
Yes, it was for a really good reason.

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But lying erodes a part of your soul.

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It was such a toxic entanglement.

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Caroline said,
"Mum, he thinks we're still a couple."

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"What do I do? He has a key."

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I know that she was very, very afraid.

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And she would lie there thinking,

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"How do I get out of this?"

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I honestly thought
I was going to have a heart attack.

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Was he gonna hurt her?

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Would-- would he kill her?

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The police had said,
"You cannot tell anyone about this."

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"Otherwise, you could compromise
this entire investigation."

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But I needed to talk to someone about it.

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The next opportunity when Sandy left,
I reached out to someone

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who wouldn't judge me for the state
I was in and would understand.

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"You may have noticed
I've been unusually quiet of late."

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"Don't know how I've managed it,
but I've been witness to a crime."

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"I can even hear you in my head
saying, 'Oh my days.'"

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And so I decided
to drive to her flat to see her.

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And she opened the door,
and she looked absolutely shocking.

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I was like,
"What the hell has happened here?"

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Caroline is like anally clean,
OCD-level clean.

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And this house was disgusting.

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She was just word-vomiting
this information at me

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in no coherent structure or order.

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It took me about 20 minutes to work out
what she was trying to tell me.

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Sandy had been involved
in the death of this guy.

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She's now spying on Sandy.

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Sandy, who we've just found out
has murdered somebody,

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was living in the flat,
which I didn't know,

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and had actually just popped out
for some beers

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and was coming back.

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And I was like,
"What the fuck is going on here?"

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And my wife's heavily pregnant,

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and I just need to…
I need to leave the situation.

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And as I was leaving,
Sandy just arrived back.

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He put out, uh, like, a hand
to shake his hand.

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And I just kind of
awkwardly shook his hand

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and said, "Nice to meet you,"
and then walked straight away.

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I was devastated.

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Her life was falling to pieces.

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And I think it's one of the few times
I've cried in about the last 20 years.

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I just-- It was all too much.

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I'll be honest,
I was so manic at that point,

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I don't really think I had
any control over what I was doing.

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I think, in some ways,
my life was becoming so surreal,

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my grasp on reality was weakening.

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Police have been scouring
this estate near Bridge of Orchy

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for around two weeks.

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It's understood specialist search officers

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and forensic teams
are excavating the area.

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Sandy gets a message from a friend

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that said the police
are looking at the carcass pits.

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We've been, I don't know,
listening to music or something,

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and he just slammed the radio off,

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and he just started smashing his fists
off the sideboard.

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Being like, "How do they know?
How do they know?"

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"Fuck! Fuck!
How do they know where he is?"

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I said, "You're fine.
They don't know where he is."

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And he was like,
"How could they be in that area?"

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"The place is so huge."

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I was like, "Someone else must know,
or someone on the farm told them."

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He had warped into, like, a crazed mania.

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He was convinced there were spy devices

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or taps for the police
to listen to the flat.

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And he gutted the-- I mean,
every light fitting, everything,

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essentially starting to trash it.

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There was just this inhuman desire

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to try and find
whatever device the police left.

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I was just thinking,
"I've told the police where he is."

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"I've marked the site

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to make this as fast as possible
for you guys."

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"This can't take forever."

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But it felt like absolute forever.

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It was a Thursday in January.

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It was a cold, cold day.

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It was a day that I'll remember
for the rest of my life.

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We were digging down
to about 30, 35 centimeters.

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And the forensic archaeologist

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took her trowel
and carefully was removing down,

35:21.200 --> 35:23.400
millimeter by millimeter.

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And she said,

35:25.280 --> 35:28.520
"There's something red here.
There's red material here."

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And we could see that

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it looked like fabric
that Mr. Parsons was last seen wearing

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when he was cycling his bike.

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And you could see that there were
the fingerless gloves of a cyclist.

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And indeed, she discovered that
there was a ring on his wedding finger.

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He was lifted onto the stretcher,

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and… as he was carried out,

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the sun came out between the clouds.

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We all stood with our heads bowed.

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And we all said a little silent prayer

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for Mr. Parsons and his family.

36:24.520 --> 36:27.560
I think not knowing what has happened

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to your loved one is…

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Is a form of torture, really.

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To be able to bring that,
at least, to an end

36:37.200 --> 36:39.760
by saying, "We have recovered his body."

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"We will, in the fullness of time,

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give you back the body
to allow you to have a funeral,"

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gives them something to hold on to.

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Now, human remains have been found
in a remote part of Argyll.

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Police have been carrying out
extensive searches in the area

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as part of their investigation

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into the disappearance
of cyclist Tony Parsons.

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The 63-year-old was last seen
more than three years ago.

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Sasha Spratt reports.

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The news broke out
to say human remains had been found

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on the Auch Estate.

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Sandy sat down,

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and I'm expecting
him to scream and shout or kick off,

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and he actually just sat in silence
for quite a while.

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I think, in that moment,
he was a bit broken.

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But he had this idea or this notion

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that perhaps there'd been
another farmworker on the estate

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who maybe had seen something
or who had leaked something.

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And he, thankfully,
never thought at any moment

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that, you know, one, it'd be me,

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or two, that there'd been,
like, an actual marker.

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Sandy and his brother
were allowed to return to the estate.

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So I dropped him home
and waved him goodbye.

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It was a mix of heartbreak
and genuine relief.

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I drove as fast as I could
to the police station

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because Robert had told me
Tony Parsons was potentially still alive

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at the time of the accident,

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and I also had
a confession of sorts on my laptop,

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and I wanted the police to hear it.

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How could you go out hunting
the next day and not be bothered?

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It was either my life or his.

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I remember messaging my mum and dad.

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They were like, "We're so proud of you."

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It was like, "Oh!"

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I was like,
"I've done some good in the world."

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Dr. Muirhead had provided
the police with information

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that Robert McKellar had confirmed to her

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that Tony Parsons was alive at the time
they removed him to the estate.

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That information changed it

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because it altered what we were looking at

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from a potential charge
of causing death by dangerous driving

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into the most serious crime it could be,

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namely one of murder.

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But in Scotland,
we have what's known as corroboration.

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So that all relevant facts
must be proved by two sources of evidence.

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Mr. Parsons' body would not be capable
of being examined immediately

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because of the fact it was frozen.

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There's a delay of seven days or so
before it can be examined.

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So until a full postmortem
has been conducted

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and the pathologists have come
to a conclusion as to the cause of death,

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and in this case, very particularly,
whether that death was instantaneous,

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there's still no basis to arrest them

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because we don't know
what the appropriate charges might be.

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Arriving back at my flat,

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for the first time in, like, two weeks
I didn't feel manic or frenetic.

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And the sun was shining, it was starting
to feel lighter and happier.

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And my phone rings, and it's Sandy.

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I can hear he's driving the pickup truck.

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He's on the loudspeaker.

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And, you know, I was like, "Hi."

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He was screaming,

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"You fucking little bitch,
you fucking did this!"

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I said, "I've not done anything."

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He said that Police Scotland
used a local farming lad

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to help with the grave-digging.

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"There was
a sugar-free Red Bull can left there."

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"You're the only person who drinks
sugar-free Red Bull, so you left it."

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And he's just like, "You fucking did this,

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and I have defended you to everyone."

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"I said it wasn't you,
and you fucking did this!"

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"You've handed me in. You've fucked me
and Robert over. You've fucked our lives."

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He was like, "I need to see you right now,
and we need to do this face-to-face."

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And he hangs up the phone,
and I swear to God, I started screaming.

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My brain was like,
"You are going to get extremely hurt now."

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He's got the spare keys to my flat
on the car keys.

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And I was like,
"I'm gonna die. He is going to kill me."
ow."