WEBVTT 00:17.726 --> 00:20.729 [lawyer 1] We're back on the video record at 12:02 p.m. 00:21.730 --> 00:26.401 [Brad Edwards] Let's talk about Jane Doe 102, Virginia Roberts. 00:26.818 --> 00:28.778 Do you know Virginia Roberts? 00:32.282 --> 00:35.118 -So she's... Say again, who? -[Edwards] Virginia Roberts. 00:35.910 --> 00:36.786 Can you spell it? 00:38.121 --> 00:40.540 [Edwards] Common spelling, Virginia, like the state. 00:40.623 --> 00:43.334 -Can you spell it for me, please? -[Edwards] Roberts. 00:43.418 --> 00:45.545 How is it... What's the last name? How is it spelled? 00:47.005 --> 00:49.883 [Edwards] R-O-B-E-R-T-S, I believe. 00:50.884 --> 00:53.344 Isn't it true that you and Ghislaine Maxwell 00:53.845 --> 00:59.768 celebrated her 16th birthday with her and had sex with her on that day? 00:59.934 --> 01:01.102 [lawyer 2] Form, compound, 01:01.519 --> 01:03.480 confusing, argumentative and harassing. 01:06.107 --> 01:07.734 I'd like to answer that question. 01:08.526 --> 01:13.031 But today I'm gonna have to assert my Sixth Amendment rights, 01:13.114 --> 01:14.532 my Fifth Amendment rights. 01:15.366 --> 01:18.536 [Edwards] Is it true that you forced Virginia Roberts 01:18.620 --> 01:20.872 to have sex with numerous friends of yours? 01:21.247 --> 01:22.123 Are you kidding? 02:10.088 --> 02:12.298 [Giuffre] The first time I decided to go public, 02:12.382 --> 02:15.969 it was because I gave birth to this beautiful baby girl. 02:22.892 --> 02:26.896 It kind of made me realize what I had been through 02:27.438 --> 02:30.066 was still happening to other people out there. 02:30.233 --> 02:31.359 It wasn't just me. 02:31.442 --> 02:33.444 And I looked at my husband, and I said, "Robbie, 02:34.237 --> 02:36.281 we can't just sit by and be silent anymore. 02:36.364 --> 02:38.241 We've got to do something about it." 02:40.618 --> 02:43.872 I was sexually abused by Prince Andrew. 02:45.540 --> 02:49.752 Someone had to put their hand up and say, like, "He can't just get away with this." 02:49.836 --> 02:52.338 [suspenseful music] 03:06.978 --> 03:08.938 [Giuffre] I first met Prince Andrew 03:09.397 --> 03:11.399 March 10th, 2001, 03:11.900 --> 03:14.319 in London at Ghislaine's townhouse. 03:16.446 --> 03:19.824 He knocked on the door, he came inside Ghislaine's townhouse, 03:19.908 --> 03:21.576 and we're sitting there having tea. 03:23.077 --> 03:25.955 Ghislaine has this favorite guessing game that she does. 03:26.831 --> 03:30.335 She goes to Prince Andrew, "How old do you think Virginia is?" 03:30.418 --> 03:32.503 And he said, "Seventeen." 03:32.962 --> 03:34.839 And she's like, "Oh, you're right!" 03:34.923 --> 03:37.216 And, you know, they, like, made a little joke about it. 03:37.300 --> 03:39.802 He's like, "My daughters aren't far from your age. 03:39.886 --> 03:41.512 My daughters are a bit younger than you. 03:43.932 --> 03:45.183 We went out for the night. 03:46.434 --> 03:48.061 Club Tramp in London. 03:48.144 --> 03:50.563 [electronic music playing] 03:50.647 --> 03:54.525 And he dances, and he's profusely sweating over me, and it was disgusting. 03:55.443 --> 03:59.364 We get back to the townhouse, and we go upstairs. 03:59.447 --> 04:01.866 I have this little yellow Kodak camera, 04:01.950 --> 04:05.578 and, um... I ask Jeffrey to take a photo 04:06.037 --> 04:08.414 of me and Prince Andrew together. 04:08.498 --> 04:09.540 [camera shutter clicking] 04:10.792 --> 04:13.544 [Giuffre] And Ghislaine's literally just, like, right behind me. 04:14.128 --> 04:15.296 Ghislaine tells me... 04:16.547 --> 04:19.550 "You're going to have to do for him what you do for Jeffrey." 04:21.177 --> 04:22.679 [voice breaking] And it hit me. 04:24.847 --> 04:26.849 And right after that photo was taken, 04:26.933 --> 04:32.021 I was sexually abused by Prince Andrew for the first time. 04:47.495 --> 04:50.748 [reporter] A former prostitute claims she was just 17 04:50.832 --> 04:53.835 when she allegedly had sexual relations with Prince Andrew. 04:54.669 --> 04:57.672 [Giuffre] I've been called a serial prostitute, 04:57.755 --> 05:00.383 a bad mom, a serial liar, 05:00.466 --> 05:03.094 a drug addict, every name under the sun. 05:03.845 --> 05:06.556 The whole Prince Andrew thing, it was just... 05:06.889 --> 05:07.724 kaboom. 05:08.141 --> 05:13.771 And it went from being a harrowing story about trafficking and abuse 05:14.480 --> 05:17.317 to completely Prince Andrew. 05:18.776 --> 05:20.528 I wasn't Prince Andrew's prostitute, 05:20.611 --> 05:23.156 because I was trafficked to him, and I was a kid. 05:41.716 --> 05:43.718 [Sigrid McCawley] My client Virginia Giuffre 05:43.801 --> 05:46.137 was trafficked by Epstein almost 30 times 05:46.220 --> 05:49.682 when she was under the age of 18, both nationally and internationally. 05:53.519 --> 05:58.691 Virginia came forward publicly in a filing in the Crime Victims' Rights Act case. 05:58.775 --> 06:03.196 In that filing, she made public some of the individuals who had abused her 06:03.279 --> 06:06.032 when she was being trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein. 06:07.617 --> 06:09.952 One of those individuals was Alan Dershowitz. 06:12.789 --> 06:16.042 [Alan Dershowitz] I assure you, I never had sex with Virginia Roberts. 06:18.211 --> 06:19.420 Let me state categorically. 06:20.171 --> 06:24.425 I never had sex with an underage person in my life. 06:24.509 --> 06:30.348 Even when I was an underage boy, I never had sex with an underage girl. 06:30.431 --> 06:35.395 I never had sex with anyone related to Jeffrey Epstein. 06:39.440 --> 06:41.984 I challenge Virginia Roberts 06:42.068 --> 06:43.986 to come on your show, 06:44.320 --> 06:47.198 look in the camera, and say the following words: 06:47.949 --> 06:52.328 "I accuse Alan Dershowitz of having had sex with me 06:52.412 --> 06:55.331 on six or seven occasions." 06:55.832 --> 06:58.334 She has never been willing to accuse me in public. 06:58.418 --> 07:02.672 So please accuse me on this show, I challenge you. 07:07.468 --> 07:10.221 [Giuffre] I was with Alan Dershowitz multiple times. 07:12.473 --> 07:14.433 At least six that I can remember. 07:16.519 --> 07:21.441 Well, I was trafficked to Alan Dershowitz from Epstein. Epstein... 07:22.650 --> 07:24.610 made me, essentially, 07:24.902 --> 07:27.905 forced me to.... to have sex with him. 07:29.115 --> 07:32.869 Every time I was trafficked was at Epstein or Ghislaine's behest. 07:34.454 --> 07:38.499 He's denied being with me. Is one of us telling the truth? Yes. 07:38.749 --> 07:40.585 Is that person me? Yes. 07:58.519 --> 08:00.730 [Sarah Ransome] I came forward in 2016 08:01.564 --> 08:03.316 when the US election started to happen. 08:04.066 --> 08:05.526 This was completely unplanned. 08:05.610 --> 08:07.820 -[crowd cheering] -Thank you, everybody. 08:07.904 --> 08:11.032 [Ransome] Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are both up for election, 08:11.616 --> 08:16.037 and both candidates for US president had affiliations with Jeffrey Epstein. 08:16.704 --> 08:19.999 So I went to almost every single news channel, 08:20.583 --> 08:22.919 British media, American media. 08:23.252 --> 08:27.507 I tried to tell them... I told them who Jeffrey Epstein was, what he did. 08:28.090 --> 08:29.592 I told them who Ghislaine was. 08:31.969 --> 08:35.139 No one would listen. No one would hear my voice in 2016. 08:36.766 --> 08:37.642 [message chimes] 08:46.442 --> 08:49.111 [Senator Kristen Gillibrand] This is a moment in time unlike any other. 08:49.195 --> 08:50.821 With the Me Too movement, 08:50.905 --> 08:53.157 women are feeling the ability 08:53.241 --> 08:55.284 to tell what happened to them, 08:55.368 --> 08:58.120 some of the worst moments they've lived, and tell it publicly, 08:58.204 --> 09:00.790 and that is powerful, and it is affecting everything, 09:00.873 --> 09:02.458 and people are looking for justice. 09:03.626 --> 09:08.005 [Courtney Wild] I remember watching the TV about the Me Too movement, 09:08.089 --> 09:11.509 and thinking, "Okay, like, we're next." 09:13.010 --> 09:17.181 We don't need to feel ashamed for having survived these things. 09:17.265 --> 09:19.183 Actually talking about them, 09:19.267 --> 09:22.520 you know, bringing them into the light and finding support from each other 09:22.603 --> 09:24.313 is a huge way towards healing. 09:26.399 --> 09:28.609 [Chauntae Davies] There's definitely strength in numbers, 09:28.693 --> 09:30.403 and I feel like  women feel more comfortable 09:30.486 --> 09:32.363 to come forward when they know they're not alone. 09:34.323 --> 09:38.035 I think we have an unspoken bond that many people won't ever understand. 09:39.453 --> 09:41.664 Times have changed in a year, 09:41.747 --> 09:46.002 such that these accusations will be listened to in a different way. 09:48.629 --> 09:50.631 It's an explosive investigative series 09:50.715 --> 09:54.135 by the Miami Herald reporter Julie K. Brown, connecting the dots 09:54.218 --> 09:57.555 between President Trump's labor secretary, Alexander Acosta, 09:57.638 --> 10:00.474 and what the Miami Herald calls "the deal of a lifetime" 10:00.558 --> 10:04.228 that was given to accused pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. 10:13.154 --> 10:15.698 Senate committee on health, education, labor and pensions 10:15.781 --> 10:16.782 will please come to order. 10:16.866 --> 10:18.784 This morning, we're holding a confirmation hearing 10:18.868 --> 10:21.954 on the nomination of Alexander Acosta 10:22.038 --> 10:24.624 to serve as United States Secretary of Labor. 10:25.791 --> 10:28.085 [man] I did not hear anything about Epstein 10:28.169 --> 10:32.173 until President Trump nominated Acosta to be Labor Secretary. 10:33.299 --> 10:36.594 And so, as I was digging into Acosta's background, 10:36.677 --> 10:39.555 I came upon information about the Epstein case. 10:40.973 --> 10:42.016 I was shocked. 10:43.309 --> 10:44.518 I'd like to ask you about this. 10:44.602 --> 10:47.480 "Federal prosecutors detail their findings 10:47.563 --> 10:52.068 in an 82-page prosecution memo and a 53-page indictment, 10:52.151 --> 10:53.694 but Epstein was never indicted." 10:54.403 --> 10:55.446 And then there's a quote. 10:55.529 --> 10:57.782 Quote, "This agreement," the agreement you described, 10:57.865 --> 11:00.743 "will not be made part of any public record," 11:00.826 --> 11:03.079 the deal between Epstein and Acosta says. 11:03.162 --> 11:06.248 At the end of the day, based on the evidence... 11:06.582 --> 11:10.795 um... professionals within a prosecutor's office decide 11:11.337 --> 11:12.963 that a plea 11:13.589 --> 11:16.801 that guarantees that someone goes to jail 11:16.884 --> 11:21.389 and that guarantees other outcomes is a good thing, and so-- 11:21.472 --> 11:23.933 [Tim Kaine] Was that a consensus decision in your office? 11:25.893 --> 11:28.521 It was a broadly held decision. 11:31.148 --> 11:33.526 [Kaine] It was a secret deal, as we now know. 11:34.568 --> 11:38.114 I thought the outrageous nature of the allegations 11:38.197 --> 11:40.282 might lead to a vote against him. 11:41.283 --> 11:44.078 I, Alexander Acosta, do solemnly swear... 11:44.161 --> 11:47.289 I want to thank President Trump, Vice President Pence, 11:47.373 --> 11:48.958 and the members of the Senate 11:49.041 --> 11:51.877 for the privilege of serving as Secretary of Labor. 11:51.961 --> 11:54.922 [crowd cheering, applauding] 12:04.557 --> 12:07.768 Karen and Chris, you've got to come take a look at this order. 12:07.852 --> 12:09.103 [Karen] What happened? 12:09.937 --> 12:14.316 Judge Marra has issued his summary judgment ruling. 12:14.400 --> 12:18.654 What Judge Marra has ruled is that the federal government 12:18.738 --> 12:21.949 entered into a conspiracy with Jeffrey Epstein 12:22.366 --> 12:25.161 to violate the Crime Victims' Rights Act. 12:27.496 --> 12:30.875 -This is just fantastic. -[Karen] Wow. 12:30.958 --> 12:33.085 -That is great. -[laughing] 12:33.169 --> 12:35.212 -Congratulations. Well deserved. -All right. 12:35.296 --> 12:36.380 -All right. -It's a good day. 12:36.464 --> 12:40.009 [Jack Scarola] There is now in place a federal order 12:40.092 --> 12:44.388 that the federal government, under Alexander Acosta's direction, 12:44.472 --> 12:50.478 not only failed to inform victims, but actively misled them. 12:51.020 --> 12:57.318 That means that there may be a new hearing in front of a federal judge 12:57.401 --> 13:03.574 where these victims have a right to express their opposition to this deal. 13:03.657 --> 13:08.120 And a judge could decide it was a contract that was illegal from the outset. 13:08.913 --> 13:10.790 Epstein has no immunity. 13:10.873 --> 13:15.461 The federal government has the right to prosecute you 13:16.003 --> 13:19.131 and the right to prosecute your co-conspirators. 13:20.257 --> 13:23.177 [Edwards] There was this elation on behalf of the victims that, 13:23.260 --> 13:24.303 "Hey, look, we won. 13:24.386 --> 13:27.223 We went up against the government and Jeffrey Epstein, and we won. 13:27.306 --> 13:31.519 We proved that you conspired against us, the victims." 13:33.521 --> 13:36.899 [Wild] When I heard Judge Marra did rule in our favor, 13:36.982 --> 13:38.943 I just felt very accomplished. 13:39.318 --> 13:42.363 Uh... We'd been fighting for this for a long time. 13:42.947 --> 13:48.118 Just to have it in words, "Your rights were violated, period." 13:48.202 --> 13:50.996 It was like, "Okay.  Now something's happening." 13:52.081 --> 13:53.290 [Edwards] It became clear 13:53.374 --> 13:57.044 that many of the crimes Jeffrey Epstein had committed in Florida 13:57.127 --> 14:01.549 originated in New York, and that he likely had committed these crimes in New York. 14:02.883 --> 14:07.721 At this stage, the New York investigation was underway. 14:12.184 --> 14:14.645 [reporter 1] A federal investigation shining some new light 14:14.728 --> 14:18.732 on a controversial plea deal for a wealthy investor 14:18.816 --> 14:22.069 accused of molesting dozens of underage girls. 14:22.152 --> 14:25.281 [reporter 2] This decision to investigate reflects the Me Too movement potentially 14:25.364 --> 14:28.742 touching on the Trump administration and many other powerful people, 14:28.826 --> 14:30.911 and most important, of course, it impacts the women 14:30.995 --> 14:32.663 who took the risk to come forward. 14:33.455 --> 14:35.749 [Edwards] Now New York's finally showing an interest, 14:35.833 --> 14:39.962 my clients were all on board and had been all on board for ten years. 14:41.505 --> 14:44.466 [Michael Reiter] I had heard that there was an investigation 14:44.550 --> 14:48.721 by the FBI in New York and the US Attorney in New York. 14:49.388 --> 14:51.181 Even though it felt as though 14:51.265 --> 14:56.145 the victims were completely abandoned by the entire criminal justice system, 14:56.228 --> 14:58.105 I never gave up over the years, 14:58.188 --> 15:01.775 hoping that some measure of justice would eventually come to the victims. 15:02.735 --> 15:05.738 [Mike Fisten] I had a pretty good inkling that something was going to happen 15:05.821 --> 15:07.114 because the FBI, 15:07.573 --> 15:11.702 along with the detectives from NYPD, were down here in Palm Beach, 15:12.119 --> 15:14.955 interviewing numerous people over the last three months. 15:16.498 --> 15:19.376 [Shawna Rivera] I was contacted by the FBI. 15:19.793 --> 15:23.547 They told me that they had this investigation going on in New York, 15:23.631 --> 15:25.591 and they wanted to get, you know, 15:25.674 --> 15:27.676 as much information as they could. 15:28.010 --> 15:30.804 I told them that they needed to look out for their victims. 15:30.888 --> 15:32.014 I told them that 15:32.097 --> 15:35.225 if they were going to do this thing, they needed to really do it. 15:37.061 --> 15:38.312 [Davies] I was so angry that 15:38.896 --> 15:42.816 I just wanted to... you know, make him pay. 15:43.484 --> 15:45.319 So at that point, I reached out, 15:45.402 --> 15:48.906 which led to a five-hour meeting with the FBI, 15:48.989 --> 15:52.785 and they flew out to LA to meet with me, and that was... 15:53.494 --> 15:54.453 super intense, 15:54.536 --> 15:57.331 but it finally felt like we were getting somewhere. 15:59.083 --> 16:01.293 [Maria Farmer] I had interviewed with some authorities. 16:01.377 --> 16:03.295 So we knew they were closing in. 16:03.379 --> 16:04.505 We were really excited. 16:04.588 --> 16:07.508 I never, ever thought that he would be held accountable. 16:18.686 --> 16:21.689 [police sirens wailing] 16:23.357 --> 16:24.942 [reporter 1] Big breaking news overnight. 16:25.025 --> 16:27.569 Jeffrey Epstein arrested at a New York area airport. 16:27.653 --> 16:30.656 [reporter 2] Jeffrey Epstein was arrested at New Jersey's Teterboro Airport 16:30.739 --> 16:32.992 after returning on a flight from France. 16:33.075 --> 16:35.494 [reporter 3] The 66-year-old hedge fund manager was arrested 16:35.577 --> 16:38.122 on federal charges related to sex trafficking. 16:38.205 --> 16:41.458 He has a bond hearing scheduled for Monday in New York. 16:41.542 --> 16:43.377 [dramatic music crescendoes] 16:55.097 --> 16:58.684 [Michelle Licata] When I found out that he was arrested, I was like, 16:58.767 --> 17:02.229 "Oh, my God! Like, finally... 17:02.312 --> 17:05.649 he's going to pay for everything that he has done. 17:07.067 --> 17:08.360 I'm going to New York. 17:09.403 --> 17:11.321 Even though I didn't want to see him, 17:11.822 --> 17:17.703 I'm going to see him now that he is in shackles. 17:17.786 --> 17:22.124 You know, he is in, like, an orange jumpsuit. 17:22.207 --> 17:25.878 He is being treated like every criminal would be treated. 17:26.587 --> 17:30.299 This has got to be it. This is when it's going to happen. 17:31.175 --> 17:37.056 They're gonna start digging into his life and start pulling out this spider web 17:37.139 --> 17:39.433 of people that were related to it. 17:41.060 --> 17:42.644 Oh, he's going to jail. 17:43.812 --> 17:44.688 This is it." 17:45.606 --> 17:47.608 [mysterious music] 17:52.738 --> 17:56.492 [reporter 4] Federal prosecutors allege that between 2002 and 2005, 17:56.575 --> 18:01.622 Epstein paid underage girls as young as 14 to have sex with him at his townhouse. 18:01.705 --> 18:05.000 [speaking Spanish] 18:05.084 --> 18:07.628 He's a villain, that's it, and we're here to get rid of him. 18:08.420 --> 18:11.757 [reporters chattering loudly] 18:18.722 --> 18:19.848 [man] Shh. 18:23.519 --> 18:25.479 [camera shutters clicking] 18:25.562 --> 18:26.522 Good morning. 18:26.605 --> 18:30.943 I'm Geoff Berman, United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York. 18:31.860 --> 18:33.862 Today we announce the unsealing 18:33.946 --> 18:37.449 of sex trafficking charges against Jeffrey Epstein. 18:38.367 --> 18:40.035 [Giuffre] I remember my lawyer calling me 18:40.119 --> 18:42.788 and saying, "You won't believe this. Do you have anywhere to sit down?" 18:43.914 --> 18:47.709 And while the charge conduct is from a number of years ago, 18:48.085 --> 18:52.798 it is still profoundly important to the many alleged victims, 18:52.881 --> 18:54.466 now young women. 18:55.634 --> 18:57.886 They deserve their day in court. 18:58.762 --> 19:00.222 I looked at my phone... 19:01.723 --> 19:03.267 and then I looked at my phone again. 19:04.434 --> 19:06.520 And then I looked at my phone, and then I was like... 19:07.479 --> 19:08.313 "No." 19:09.314 --> 19:13.694 I mean, there was a flood of emotions. I was confused. I was happy. 19:14.027 --> 19:16.572 Tears of joy were streaming down my face. 19:18.073 --> 19:20.492 [Geoff Berman] Epstein is charged in a two-count indictment. 19:20.993 --> 19:23.662 First, conspiracy to commit sex trafficking, 19:23.745 --> 19:28.500 and second, the substantive crime of sex trafficking of underage girls. 19:29.293 --> 19:33.130 It somewhat restored my faith in the criminal justice system 19:33.213 --> 19:37.676 that was lost by the way the prosecutors in Florida treated the victims 19:37.759 --> 19:41.638 and treated the case back in 2006 and 2007. 19:44.433 --> 19:45.893 The charges are very serious, 19:45.976 --> 19:49.313 and they carry with them a maximum sentence of 45 years in jail, 19:49.396 --> 19:53.150 which to someone of Epstein's age is basically a life sentence. 19:53.442 --> 19:55.027 [Davies] I just could not believe it. 19:55.485 --> 19:57.988 This all kind of just exploded all of a sudden, 19:58.071 --> 19:59.907 but at the same time, 20:00.240 --> 20:03.827 I also still knew and believed his power and... 20:04.328 --> 20:06.413 uh... ability to get himself out of things. 20:07.372 --> 20:08.624 I was still kind of... 20:09.374 --> 20:11.126 wondering how it was going to go, 20:11.210 --> 20:13.503 and whether or not they were going to really be able 20:14.087 --> 20:16.173 to build a case and to prosecute him. 20:26.308 --> 20:30.604 [police sirens wailing] 20:31.730 --> 20:33.565 [woman] What's the sitch? You know what's up? 20:33.649 --> 20:37.027 -[man] This is Jeffrey Epstein's-- -[woman] Oh, shut up! 20:43.533 --> 20:46.578 [man] Somebody must have tipped them off to something else. 20:46.662 --> 20:50.540 [reporter] New raid video showing federal agents as they bust open the door 20:50.624 --> 20:55.796 of his seven-story, 77-million-dollar home on Manhattan's Upper East Side. 20:56.630 --> 20:59.383 Inside, investigators found hundreds, 20:59.466 --> 21:02.511 if not thousands, of female nude photographs. 21:04.221 --> 21:07.140 [Haley Robson] I think that he would have been a little bit more careful, 21:07.224 --> 21:08.809 and I don't think that there's 21:09.601 --> 21:10.852 just one set of photos. 21:11.645 --> 21:15.983 It makes me wonder if there's photos of myself. 21:16.900 --> 21:18.819 What do you do with those photos? 21:18.902 --> 21:22.406 Do you show your friends? Do you use them to get off? 21:23.490 --> 21:25.117 All those thoughts crossed my mind. 21:26.868 --> 21:31.832 Knowing that he had, in fact, kept tokens like this from women that he had... 21:32.332 --> 21:34.751 um... you know, abused over the years, 21:35.293 --> 21:36.628 that really got to me. 21:39.840 --> 21:42.926 [Edwards] Jeffrey Epstein had no clue that this case was coming down, 21:43.010 --> 21:46.930 that there was any investigation whatsoever into him in New York, 21:47.014 --> 21:48.849 or he never would've come back in the country. 21:52.561 --> 21:55.063 [Shannon Cake] It was interesting. Not long after he's arrested, 21:55.147 --> 21:59.151 everyone who had a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, suddenly... 21:59.818 --> 22:00.944 no one really knew him. 22:01.695 --> 22:02.571 Suddenly, 22:02.904 --> 22:04.865 "Oh, well, we really weren't friends. 22:04.948 --> 22:07.409 I knew him in an ancillary way." 22:07.492 --> 22:10.162 [male reporter] Presidents Trump and Clinton have quickly moved 22:10.245 --> 22:12.748 to put some distance between themselves and Epstein. 22:12.831 --> 22:15.000 I had a falling out with him a long time ago. 22:15.083 --> 22:18.086 I don't think I've spoken to him for 15 years. I wasn't a fan. 22:18.170 --> 22:20.839 [female reporter 1] "He's not spoken to Epstein in well over a decade 22:20.922 --> 22:23.258 and has never been to Little St. James Island, 22:23.341 --> 22:26.970 Epstein's ranch in New Mexico, or his residence in Florida." 22:27.054 --> 22:29.056 [female reporter 2] Flight logs obtained indicate 22:29.139 --> 22:33.852 that former President Bill Clinton was on Epstein's private jet at least 26 times 22:33.935 --> 22:36.355 between 2001 and 2003. 22:38.899 --> 22:40.984 [Steve Scully] Bill Clinton has been on that island. 22:41.485 --> 22:47.074 I saw Bill Clinton sitting with Jeffrey on the living room porch. 22:48.408 --> 22:50.619 [Giuffre] I remember having a dinner with Clinton. 22:51.119 --> 22:54.164 He was there, and I never saw him do anything improper. 22:55.749 --> 22:59.211 I wish, you know, he would just come clean about, like, "Yeah, I was there. So what? 22:59.294 --> 23:01.213 Who cares? I didn't see anything going on." 23:11.014 --> 23:14.726 [Cake] For years, there had been a known affiliation and a friendship 23:14.810 --> 23:17.646 between Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew. 23:17.729 --> 23:18.730 [camera shutter clicking] 23:18.814 --> 23:22.067 [Cake] And then, of course, there were the allegations from Virginia Giuffre. 23:22.859 --> 23:25.612 And these stories had dogged him for years. 23:26.113 --> 23:28.740 So he decides, "I'll confront them head-on." 23:28.990 --> 23:30.992 So he sits down with the BBC. 23:31.618 --> 23:34.538 Because I can tell you, categorically... 23:35.497 --> 23:38.458 I don't remember meeting her... at all. 23:38.542 --> 23:42.295 I do not remember a photograph being taken, 23:42.379 --> 23:48.093 and I've said consistently and, um... and frequently... 23:49.136 --> 23:52.681 that we never had any sort of sexual contact whatever. 23:52.931 --> 23:55.642 So I'm sitting outside, and I'm having my cup of coffee, 23:55.725 --> 23:59.020 and I'm watching it on my tablet. 23:59.521 --> 24:01.731 I mean, I wanted to throw my tablet in the pool. 24:01.815 --> 24:05.193 [stammering] I've no recollection of ever meeting her. 24:05.277 --> 24:08.280 [Giuffre] As a victim, I think one thing that we ask for is 24:08.363 --> 24:10.824 some acknowledgment and some remorse. 24:11.491 --> 24:14.286 This guy didn't have any remorse at all. 24:14.995 --> 24:17.247 His arrogance about it, I mean... 24:18.165 --> 24:20.167 The whole "I don't sweat" thing... 24:20.250 --> 24:26.339 [stammering] I have a peculiar medical condition, which is that I don't sweat... 24:26.423 --> 24:28.717 Um... Or I didn't sweat at the time. 24:28.800 --> 24:31.470 This guy was, like, profusely sweating all over me, and... 24:31.553 --> 24:33.472 "I don't remember her.  I've never been upstairs 24:33.555 --> 24:36.141 at Ghislaine's townhouse." How did you know that's upstairs? 24:36.975 --> 24:38.727 She provided a photo 24:38.810 --> 24:40.520 -of the two of you together. -Yes. 24:41.104 --> 24:43.190 [Emily Maitlis] Your arm was around her waist. 24:43.273 --> 24:44.816 -[Prince Andrew] Yes. -You've seen the photo? 24:44.900 --> 24:47.402 -I've seen the photograph. -[Maitlis] How do you explain that? 24:47.485 --> 24:48.320 I can't. 24:50.322 --> 24:51.823 'Cause I don't... I have no... 24:51.907 --> 24:55.869 Again, I have absolutely no memory of that photograph ever being taken. 24:58.914 --> 25:01.708 [Giuffre] I didn't expect him to put his hand up and say, "I'm guilty." 25:02.334 --> 25:03.168 I didn't. 25:03.502 --> 25:08.340 But some form of remorse or acknowledgment would have been... 25:09.508 --> 25:10.759 Would have been better. 25:12.719 --> 25:14.429 I think it's been universally agreed. 25:14.513 --> 25:16.723 It was one of the worst mea culpas ever known to man. 25:16.806 --> 25:18.934 I mean, if people didn't think he was guilty before, 25:19.017 --> 25:23.104 after his interview, I think people thought that something had happened. 25:23.188 --> 25:25.815 So I think that kind of backfired on him. 25:38.745 --> 25:41.081 [Scully] After Jeffrey Epstein was arrested, 25:41.164 --> 25:44.960 all of a sudden, the FBI now, and this task force, they interviewed me. 25:45.460 --> 25:47.712 They had me look at, uh... a large series... 25:47.796 --> 25:50.382 It must have been 60 or 70 photos of people. 25:51.800 --> 25:54.135 Then they showed me one of Virginia Roberts, 25:54.886 --> 25:57.973 but it was a current photo, and I couldn't identify her. 25:58.056 --> 26:00.183 But... I was told to check 26:00.267 --> 26:04.187 a photo that had emerged out of all of this investigative work, 26:04.813 --> 26:08.483 and that photo is a photo of Prince Andrew 26:09.067 --> 26:12.904 with a young blonde girl. And as soon as I saw her... 26:12.988 --> 26:16.950 That was the girl that he was kind of, like, grinding against at the pool. 26:19.411 --> 26:21.871 She was, at that time, wearing a bikini bottom. 26:23.415 --> 26:24.249 That's it. 26:25.709 --> 26:29.879 But I absolutely can tell you that the photo of her, in the picture, 26:29.963 --> 26:33.383 which is her when she is, I think, 17... 26:34.092 --> 26:36.344 that was Virginia Roberts. 26:44.311 --> 26:47.355 Epstein should have been behind bars years ago. 26:47.814 --> 26:49.149 But, unfortunately, 26:49.357 --> 26:52.110 Secretary of Labor Alex Acosta 26:52.193 --> 26:54.863 cut Epstein a sweetheart deal, 26:55.322 --> 26:58.867 while Acosta was a US attorney in Florida in 2008. 26:59.159 --> 27:02.954 I am calling on Secretary Acosta to resign. 27:05.457 --> 27:07.250 [camera shutters clicking furiously] 27:10.420 --> 27:12.297 [Alexander Acosta] Let me start by reiterating 27:12.505 --> 27:16.885 that I'm pleased that the New York prosecution is going forward. 27:17.802 --> 27:21.723 They've brought these charges based on new evidence against Jeffrey Epstein, 27:21.806 --> 27:23.767 who is now a registered sex offender. 27:24.184 --> 27:27.062 And this is a very, very good thing. 27:27.854 --> 27:31.941 It's quite unbelievable that Mr. Acosta could get up there with a straight face 27:32.025 --> 27:35.153 and talk about how uh... he's happy 27:35.236 --> 27:37.989 that new charges are brought by the Southern District of New York, 27:38.073 --> 27:41.951 which means, essentially, Mr. Acosta is admitting that it's wonderful 27:42.035 --> 27:45.914 that another district office was doing a better investigation than his office did 27:45.997 --> 27:47.874 and found more victims than he did. 27:50.168 --> 27:52.003 [Acosta] I called the President this morning. 27:52.087 --> 27:55.674 I told him that I thought the right thing was to step aside. 27:56.257 --> 28:01.388 I do not think it is right and fair for this administration's Labor Department 28:01.471 --> 28:03.765 to have Epstein as a focus. 28:03.848 --> 28:07.143 Th... This is just totally a bunch of bullshit. 28:07.227 --> 28:10.730 It would be selfish for me to stay in this position. 28:10.814 --> 28:13.441 [Fisten] He knows that we know now that 28:13.525 --> 28:16.945 this case was never an ultimatum to Jeffrey Epstein. 28:17.028 --> 28:18.822 That this was an indictment 28:19.322 --> 28:21.741 that the federal government had against him 28:21.825 --> 28:24.327 that they decided not to go forward with. 28:24.786 --> 28:26.871 Now, I know why he resigned today. 28:27.497 --> 28:32.127 Because he knew, within 24 hours, the real people that knew the truth 28:32.210 --> 28:34.838 were going to come forward and say 28:34.921 --> 28:38.716 that, "Mr. Acosta, you're full of shit. That's not what happened." 28:38.800 --> 28:39.717 Excuse my French. 28:41.761 --> 28:45.223 [menacing music] 28:47.684 --> 28:49.769 [reporter] A Manhattan judge is expected to decide 28:49.853 --> 28:53.648 whether Jeffrey Epstein should be released on bail ahead of his federal trial. 28:54.149 --> 28:55.483 Epstein pleaded not guilty. 28:55.567 --> 28:59.279 His attorneys say he's ready to post up to 100 million dollars bail. 28:59.362 --> 29:02.907 And you have victims who say that they are frightened 29:03.408 --> 29:05.285 if he is out. 29:05.368 --> 29:07.579 [chattering] 29:07.662 --> 29:10.290 [Wild] I was able to fly to New York 29:10.373 --> 29:12.500 to be present at the court hearings. 29:12.584 --> 29:15.295 I definitely thought he would get out on bond, 29:15.378 --> 29:17.589 just because of how much money he has. 29:18.298 --> 29:21.509 And it was just like, that's exactly what happened the first time. 29:22.594 --> 29:25.054 [Annie Farmer] I didn't even know if I could get into the court 29:25.138 --> 29:27.015 because I wasn't sure how it worked, um... 29:27.098 --> 29:29.601 But I just wanted there to be somebody there 29:29.684 --> 29:31.644 to represent the survivors. 29:32.395 --> 29:33.897 What do you think is the safest route? 29:33.980 --> 29:35.899 David, I think we should take it that way. 29:35.982 --> 29:37.358 That way. Yeah, more quiet. 29:48.703 --> 29:50.205 [Wild] That day was crazy. 29:51.206 --> 29:54.959 Media attention, and it was something that I never dealt with before. 29:55.043 --> 29:56.294 [man] Brad, this way. 29:57.045 --> 29:59.547 [Wild] It was just a lot to take in all in one day. 30:00.882 --> 30:04.761 I was terrified. I had never experienced something like that. I was... 30:04.844 --> 30:08.431 I was actually, like, holding Courtney's hand because I was like... 30:08.515 --> 30:12.852 "Uh... I need to feel some kind of, like, comfort right now." 30:14.896 --> 30:19.150 [Wild] Me and Michelle definitely... It was like soul sisters. 30:19.234 --> 30:21.861 "We were victims of Jeffrey Epstein, and here we are. 30:22.111 --> 30:25.448 There's no more hiding. You know, it's no more Jane Doe. 30:25.532 --> 30:30.036 Like, I'm Courtney Wild, and I was sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein." 30:33.039 --> 30:36.751 Michelle said the same thing, and it was just overwhelming. 30:37.919 --> 30:41.214 But there's power in more than one person. 30:43.132 --> 30:46.511 [Licata] I want him to... to look at me, 30:46.594 --> 30:49.639 and I wanted to be like, "Do you remember me? 30:49.722 --> 30:54.352 Do you remember my face? Do you remember anything about me? 30:54.602 --> 30:58.857 Of course you don't remember me, because there was hundreds like me. 30:59.315 --> 31:04.529 You don't remember me, but, uh! I'll remember you for the rest of my life. 31:04.904 --> 31:07.615 That's something that I have to remember. 31:07.699 --> 31:11.035 So I want you to take a good look at my face right now, 31:11.119 --> 31:12.745 and I want you to remember 31:12.829 --> 31:17.792 the people that are going to put you in prison for the rest of your life." 31:20.253 --> 31:22.714 [suspenseful music] 31:23.715 --> 31:27.051 [reporters clamoring] 31:31.222 --> 31:32.599 [man] Brad, we've gotta go soon. 31:34.642 --> 31:36.603 [Licata] You know, my heart's starting to race, 31:36.686 --> 31:39.147 like, "Oh, my God, this is... This is... 31:39.772 --> 31:44.277 the moment, like, I have kind of dreaded 31:44.694 --> 31:46.487 ten years, 15 years?" 31:47.906 --> 31:50.491 I'm going to see him, and... 31:51.075 --> 31:53.494 I haven't seen him since he was 31:54.203 --> 31:55.914 laying out on a table, 31:56.664 --> 31:59.876 masturbating and going to town on himself. 31:59.959 --> 32:01.336 And, you know, 32:01.419 --> 32:05.757 like, that's the last time I've actually seen him in person. 32:07.550 --> 32:10.261 [reporters clamoring] 32:10.345 --> 32:12.639 Stay back, stay back, stay back! 32:12.722 --> 32:15.308 Go back. No. Stay up on the steps. 32:19.270 --> 32:21.606 [Licata] I was sitting in the courtroom, and... 32:21.689 --> 32:24.317 I was just... I was so upset. 32:24.400 --> 32:26.235 I was... I was crying. 32:26.361 --> 32:28.780 It was super overwhelming, um... 32:29.614 --> 32:33.076 He had, like, a bald spot on the back of his head. 32:34.702 --> 32:38.539 He was in, like, the jumpsuit.  I was like... 32:39.582 --> 32:42.710 "This is just... This is unbelievable." 32:50.802 --> 32:54.472 [Wild] I got to look at him in the face in the courtroom and say, 32:54.555 --> 32:58.935 I was sexually abused by him, by Jeffrey when I was 14, 32:59.018 --> 33:01.354 and to please not give him bond and stuff like that. 33:01.437 --> 33:04.357 And even though it was such a short period of time, 33:04.440 --> 33:06.484 it was just a short statement I got to say, 33:06.567 --> 33:09.904 you know, he still had to look at me and hear me say that. 33:12.782 --> 33:16.285 [Edwards] His attorneys were offering hundreds of millions of dollars 33:16.369 --> 33:20.498 for bond money, which should ensure that he's going to return. 33:20.915 --> 33:22.875 [McCawley] It started at 500 million. 33:23.418 --> 33:25.586 They were making offers to the court 33:25.670 --> 33:28.464 in order to try to convince the judge to let him out. 33:28.548 --> 33:31.592 He'll give all of his wealth, whatever it takes to get him out. 33:33.177 --> 33:36.723 [Edwards] But then the prosecutors presented additional evidence. 33:37.432 --> 33:38.641 When they broke into the home, 33:38.725 --> 33:41.185 and they found child pornography in his safe, 33:41.644 --> 33:46.399 they also found a number of other things, diamonds, passports that were false. 33:47.734 --> 33:49.861 [Edwards] The diamonds, passport... 33:49.944 --> 33:51.529 It looks like an escape plan. 33:52.071 --> 33:53.865 He's had an escape plan forever. 33:58.161 --> 33:59.495 [woman] Ha! 33:59.579 --> 34:01.622 -Good shit. -[cameraman] What happened? 34:01.706 --> 34:02.790 He's not getting out, 34:02.874 --> 34:07.211 and this means he'll probably spend the rest of his life in jail. 34:07.754 --> 34:10.923 [McCawley] We're thrilled today with the ruling by Judge Berman. 34:11.007 --> 34:14.510 Only by taking away the freedom of Jeffrey Epstein 34:14.594 --> 34:17.555 can we restore the freedom of these victims. 34:17.638 --> 34:20.641 No bail for Jeffrey Epstein, the judge agreeing with the government 34:20.725 --> 34:22.852 that Epstein presents a danger to the community 34:22.935 --> 34:24.687 and also an extreme risk of flight. 34:24.771 --> 34:27.356 [Musgrave] He also talked a lot about the community can't be safe. 34:27.440 --> 34:28.816 He was a danger to the community. 34:28.900 --> 34:32.779 And he was very, uh... moved by the statements by the two victims. 34:34.405 --> 34:36.866 [Tim Malloy] This is a guy who manipulated, threatened, 34:36.949 --> 34:39.202 uh... bought his way in and out of trouble. 34:39.827 --> 34:44.290 And now, for the first time in a jail cell in Lower Manhattan, 34:44.373 --> 34:47.085 it looks like there was no way to buy his way out. 34:58.096 --> 35:02.016 [Robson] With everything coming out again and having to go through and relive it, 35:02.100 --> 35:02.934 I'm scared. 35:03.017 --> 35:04.852 Scared to be dragged  through the media again. 35:05.895 --> 35:07.522 It's just been a roller coaster. 35:09.107 --> 35:10.983 I've been up and down every day. 35:11.776 --> 35:15.446 I have been sick to my stomach. Um... I've cried a lot. 35:16.030 --> 35:18.157 I mean, I think we can all assume with his... 35:18.866 --> 35:20.868 reach, and his planes, and his wealth, 35:20.952 --> 35:25.289 he could very well walk out the front door and we could never see him again. 35:27.208 --> 35:30.628 And I'm hoping that after this time, 35:31.212 --> 35:35.925 um, that it's the final time, and that he actually does not get out. 35:40.513 --> 35:42.515 [suspenseful music grows] 35:50.314 --> 35:53.526 [Annie Farmer] I was laying on the sofa and kind of drifting in an out of sleep, 35:53.609 --> 35:57.572 and, um... my husband came and sat next to me, 35:57.655 --> 36:01.659 and he woke me up, like, you know, in a way that I knew something was wrong. 36:01.742 --> 36:03.244 And he said, "I have some hard news." 36:08.040 --> 36:11.169 [male reporter 1] The disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein is dead. 36:11.252 --> 36:14.630 Epstein took his own life while behind bars here in New York City, 36:14.714 --> 36:16.716 while facing charges of sex trafficking. 36:17.592 --> 36:19.176 "Committed suicide? What? 36:20.011 --> 36:21.429 How is that possible?" 36:23.097 --> 36:25.808 [male reporter 1] What we know is at some point this morning, 36:25.892 --> 36:29.312 the Bureau of Prisons and prison officials found Jeffrey Epstein in his cell. 36:29.395 --> 36:31.939 Apparently, he had hanged himself. 36:33.316 --> 36:34.901 [Maria Farmer] I was kind of in shock. 36:35.693 --> 36:38.321 It didn't hit me for maybe a couple hours, 36:38.404 --> 36:40.740 and then I got really, really angry 36:40.823 --> 36:45.077 that I couldn't face him and tell him what he'd done to me and my life. 36:47.997 --> 36:50.041 [male reporter 2] His body in that van you see there 36:50.124 --> 36:52.126 seen heading for the Medical Examiner's office. 36:52.210 --> 36:56.756 It is a stunning turn of events for a man who lived a life of exceptional wealth 36:56.839 --> 36:59.217 with extremely powerful people in his orbit. 36:59.300 --> 37:00.301 [camera shutter clicks] 37:01.594 --> 37:03.721 [Malloy] It is inconceivable that in a prison, 37:03.804 --> 37:07.308 a federal prison that housed terrorists and El Chapo, 37:07.391 --> 37:09.936 that had cameras, that had guards everywhere, 37:10.019 --> 37:11.479 that something could go wrong 37:11.562 --> 37:14.232 and harm could come to Jeffrey Epstein. Inconceivable. 37:22.740 --> 37:25.326 Reports indicated that he tied his bed sheet 37:25.785 --> 37:28.579 around his neck, and strangled himself. 37:33.751 --> 37:36.170 It's a federal prison, notoriously underfunded, 37:36.712 --> 37:38.256 something of a hellhole, 37:38.339 --> 37:40.508 and it's revealed that the guards were sleeping. 37:40.591 --> 37:42.051 The cameras weren't working. 37:42.885 --> 37:45.471 Everything that could go wrong went wrong. 37:49.725 --> 37:53.020 [Annie Farmer] Honestly, I felt so devastated that... 37:54.689 --> 37:56.440 once again, he had... 37:57.650 --> 38:01.487 you know, managed to escape any kind of accountability. 38:03.990 --> 38:06.742 That's how it felt. Like people just didn't care enough 38:06.826 --> 38:10.955 to make sure that he was alive to go to trial. 38:12.832 --> 38:14.417 [raining] 38:14.500 --> 38:16.377 [Rivera] There's no justice in this. 38:16.752 --> 38:18.337 [thunder rumbles] 38:18.713 --> 38:21.549 There was just so much more to be said... 38:21.799 --> 38:23.676 that's never going to be said. 38:24.593 --> 38:25.678 And that's sad. 38:27.138 --> 38:29.140 -[rain pouring] -[thunder rumbling] 38:30.016 --> 38:32.143 [Rivera] I didn't know how to react to it. 38:32.226 --> 38:34.979 I felt sad immediately and I... 38:35.479 --> 38:38.441 Not to say that, like, he didn't do bad things, 38:38.524 --> 38:42.361 not to say that he didn't deserve something terrible to happen to him... 38:43.487 --> 38:48.451 I just don't think that was the ending that anybody wanted. 38:50.328 --> 38:52.330 [rain falling] 38:53.706 --> 38:57.418 Before I begin, I'd like to briefly address news 38:57.501 --> 39:01.672 from the Manhattan Correctional Center over the weekend 39:01.756 --> 39:03.674 regarding Jeffrey Epstein. 39:04.675 --> 39:08.512 We are now learning of serious irregularities at this facility 39:08.596 --> 39:10.514 that are deeply concerning 39:10.890 --> 39:14.185 and demand a thorough investigation. 39:16.103 --> 39:19.732 [Charles Gasparino] If you wanna know how he could slip through the cracks on this, 39:19.815 --> 39:22.818 the New York's Metropolitan Correction Center used to be called "the Tombs." 39:23.527 --> 39:26.989 It's a notoriously, you know, harsh place. 39:27.406 --> 39:30.993 It's understaffed, and largely staffed by not the smartest people. 39:31.535 --> 39:33.996 He knew his life was done. 39:35.122 --> 39:36.832 He wanted to kill himself, 39:36.916 --> 39:39.043 and he killed himself the first chance he got. 39:43.839 --> 39:46.842 [Musgrave] I think it's just typical of the whole Jeffrey Epstein story. 39:46.926 --> 39:49.678 Even in death, he kept the controversy alive. 39:50.596 --> 39:53.599 [female reporter] Wild rumors and theories about how Jeffrey Epstein died 39:53.682 --> 39:56.769 on the federal government's watch is breeding online. 39:57.019 --> 39:58.854 [Musgrave] I think it's the never-ending story. 39:58.938 --> 40:02.358 Did he kill himself? Was he killed? Was there a hit out? 40:02.441 --> 40:06.404 Did one of these powerful men pay a prison guard to kill him? 40:06.779 --> 40:07.613 I don't know. 40:07.988 --> 40:09.907 [suspenseful music] 40:11.117 --> 40:13.911 This case is ripe for conspiracy theories. 40:14.870 --> 40:18.749 That's part of the story. There's so many weird sort of connections. 40:19.875 --> 40:23.838 Conspiracy theorists have claimed that Epstein's death wasn't a suicide, 40:23.921 --> 40:25.256 or it was faked. 40:25.339 --> 40:27.800 Other Epstein theories floating online, 40:27.883 --> 40:30.845 "How convenient now for the princes, and politicians, 40:30.928 --> 40:33.264 and other powerful people Epstein mingled with 40:33.764 --> 40:34.640 that he's dead." 40:36.100 --> 40:38.394 [Davies] I'm sure many people wanted him dead. 40:38.477 --> 40:41.147 He had a lot of information on a lot of people, a lot of blackmail. 40:41.230 --> 40:42.648 Videos and pictures. 40:44.900 --> 40:47.278 [Maria Farmer] If you look here, the limestone, 40:47.361 --> 40:50.656 inside the house, behind, like, a space like that, 40:50.739 --> 40:53.159 they have cameras, and they have them everywhere. 40:54.410 --> 40:58.497 Jeffrey took me into a room which is a bit back further than this window, 40:58.581 --> 40:59.999 and it's leaded. 41:00.624 --> 41:03.210 And it had all the computers 41:03.294 --> 41:07.882 and all these monitors, like, the old-fashioned TV monitors, stacked. 41:09.091 --> 41:11.844 [Giuffre] I'm looking at the monitors, and I'm like, "That's my room. 41:11.927 --> 41:13.220 That's the massage room. 41:13.304 --> 41:15.389 That's my shower. That's my toilet. 41:15.890 --> 41:17.725 That's everyone else's toilet in the house.  41:17.808 --> 41:19.768 That's everyone else's shower in the house." 41:19.852 --> 41:23.022 That's... Every single corner of that house was monitored. 41:23.606 --> 41:26.275 He was watching everybody all the time. 41:26.609 --> 41:28.360 This was a blackmail scheme. 41:28.694 --> 41:32.072 All those powerful people abusing underage girls. 41:32.156 --> 41:33.073 When he told me, 41:33.157 --> 41:36.410 "People owe me favors, and I will never get caught. 41:36.493 --> 41:38.078 I can get away with things," 41:38.787 --> 41:39.830 he meant it. 41:41.499 --> 41:45.002 [Ransome] I think that he would take a lot of people down. 41:45.085 --> 41:47.213 This wasn't just a ring for Jeffrey Epstein. 41:47.296 --> 41:49.882 This was an international sex trafficking ring. 41:50.716 --> 41:52.676 This has reached all over the world. 41:54.094 --> 41:57.306 He is a very small piece in a huge network. 42:00.309 --> 42:04.188 [Malloy] Mark Epstein, Jeffrey's brother, is not buying the suicide. 42:04.271 --> 42:05.439 He doesn't believe it. 42:05.522 --> 42:10.986 So he hires a renowned forensic expert to take another look at the autopsy. 42:16.867 --> 42:20.120 [Dr. Cyril Wecht] A call came in from Dr. Michael Baden, 42:20.204 --> 42:23.540 who is representing the family, specifically the brother, 42:23.624 --> 42:25.167 Mr. Mark Epstein. 42:25.751 --> 42:28.754 I then received a copy of the autopsy report 42:28.837 --> 42:32.007 and discussed things with Dr. Baden at great length. 42:33.259 --> 42:35.719 There was no evidence at all to indicate 42:35.803 --> 42:38.889 that he had jumped or leaped from the bunk. 42:40.224 --> 42:44.645 I came to learn that there were fractures of the hyoid bone, 42:44.728 --> 42:47.398 which is a delicate, U-shaped bone 42:47.481 --> 42:51.026 located high in the neck directly beneath the mandible, the lower jaw. 42:51.986 --> 42:56.407 I have here, uh... from a totally unrelated case, of course, 42:56.490 --> 42:57.408 a hyoid bone. 42:57.825 --> 43:00.744 Now, there is some soft tissue still attached. 43:00.828 --> 43:02.454 On, uh, Jeffrey Epstein, 43:02.538 --> 43:04.248 three fractures were found: 43:04.331 --> 43:08.168 the horn of the hyoid bone on the left side, 43:09.003 --> 43:11.380 and then directly beneath on Jeffrey Epstein 43:11.463 --> 43:13.674 there were fractures of the thyroid cartilage 43:13.757 --> 43:17.303 and then on the right side of the thyroid cartilage. 43:19.638 --> 43:22.057 You do not get those three fractures 43:22.141 --> 43:25.894 with a suicidal hanging of someone leaning forward. 43:25.978 --> 43:29.189 So where, again, is the force 43:29.273 --> 43:34.194 that would have been required to produce those fractures from kneeling forward? 43:35.654 --> 43:39.450 I can say I've never seen it myself in all of my autopsies. 43:39.533 --> 43:44.496 I would say, to have these three fractures in that kind of a suicidal hanging 43:44.580 --> 43:48.375 would be extremely rare. Extremely rare. 43:54.298 --> 43:57.634 [Gasparino] What really took this tragedy to another level, in my view, 43:57.718 --> 44:01.638 was when he moved his money over to the Virgin Islands in his will. 44:08.395 --> 44:12.399 [Edwards] Jeffrey Epstein signed a will two days before he committed suicide. 44:12.483 --> 44:15.402 At that time, he knew he was committing suicide, 44:15.486 --> 44:18.697 but I would presume his lawyers didn't know that. 44:21.033 --> 44:24.370 [Gasparino] It made it much more difficult for the victims to get restitution, 44:24.453 --> 44:29.541 and in my view, it sort of underscored his evilness, you know, his venality. 44:29.625 --> 44:33.587 It basically showed that he had no remorse whatsoever. 44:33.671 --> 44:35.172 He didn't think he did anything wrong. 44:35.255 --> 44:38.258 That just says it all about Jeffrey Epstein, you know. 44:38.342 --> 44:40.594 It was a "Fuck you" to the victims. 44:41.261 --> 44:45.057 Like, he had no, sort of, remorse about victims. 44:45.808 --> 44:48.644 [Edwards] The victims... Certain things have been taken from them forever. 44:48.727 --> 44:51.855 They'll never get the satisfaction of seeing him in jail for life. 44:52.439 --> 44:55.401 But there will come a point in time where they're able to prove 44:55.484 --> 44:58.487 that they were victimized,  they were harmed by the victimization, 44:58.570 --> 45:01.115 and... and that they should be compensated for it. 45:01.615 --> 45:03.325 But they're never going to be made whole, 45:03.409 --> 45:06.078 because you just can't ever take back what happened to them. 45:17.131 --> 45:19.800 [Malloy] Epstein's lawyers wanted to dismiss the case. 45:20.592 --> 45:22.261 You can't, uh... try a dead guy. 45:23.303 --> 45:25.222 But the judge wasn't going to let that happen. 45:25.305 --> 45:28.892 The judge was going to let some of the victims have their day in court. 45:29.643 --> 45:31.937 -[man] Good morning, Your Honor. -Nice to see you. 45:32.020 --> 45:33.230 [man] Nice to see you. 45:33.731 --> 45:37.192 [reporter 1] Up to 30 women are expected to accept a New York judge's invitation 45:37.276 --> 45:38.402 to address the hearing 45:38.485 --> 45:42.865 before he moves to dismiss the criminal sex trafficking case against Epstein. 45:44.950 --> 45:47.995 [Davies] The invite to the hearing was all very last-minute. 45:48.328 --> 45:51.039 As emotional as this has all been for me, 45:51.123 --> 45:55.085 it's also ignited, sort of, this dragon, if you will, in me 45:55.169 --> 45:56.962 that I feel the need to... 45:57.588 --> 46:00.966 speak my truth and to have my voice heard. 46:02.634 --> 46:04.636 [reporter 2] More than a dozen alleged victims 46:04.720 --> 46:09.016 of convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein finally had their day in court. 46:09.433 --> 46:11.143 [Wild] We deserved our day in court. 46:11.226 --> 46:14.730 I think it was a very cowardly thing for him to do. 46:14.813 --> 46:16.315 He escaped justice. 46:16.398 --> 46:18.275 [reporters clamoring] 46:18.817 --> 46:20.569 [Annie Farmer] I was so touched 46:20.652 --> 46:24.198 by the strength of the women that were there 46:24.281 --> 46:27.743 getting up and sharing their experiences, so many for the first time. 46:28.118 --> 46:31.288 It was a very cathartic experience to be there. 46:33.040 --> 46:35.375 [Ransome] Judge Berman, he changed my life. 46:35.792 --> 46:37.002 For the first time, 46:37.085 --> 46:39.338 I actually saw someone in a position of power 46:39.421 --> 46:42.299 that actually had any form of respect for us, 46:42.716 --> 46:43.717 and he listened, 46:44.176 --> 46:45.803 and that's all I ever wanted, 46:46.386 --> 46:49.056 was for someone to listen and for someone to hear me. 46:51.141 --> 46:53.227 [Giuffre] Judge Berman gave me back something 46:53.310 --> 46:55.187 that I never thought was possible. 46:56.688 --> 46:58.941 He gave me back a piece of myself that... 47:00.400 --> 47:02.152 was missing for so long. 47:02.611 --> 47:04.279 Hugging those girls in court... 47:08.617 --> 47:10.160 [sighs] 47:10.244 --> 47:11.745 It was beautiful. 47:12.621 --> 47:14.081 [sighs] 47:15.707 --> 47:18.043 We cried, we laughed, we hugged... 47:19.294 --> 47:22.673 and we all had each other's backs that day in court. 47:23.882 --> 47:25.884 [reporters clamoring] 47:27.719 --> 47:30.389 [Edwards] The way that Judge Berman treated these victims 47:30.472 --> 47:35.185 is going to be the model for how victims should be treated. 47:35.769 --> 47:39.815 I think that it's going to go down in history as the most important case 47:39.898 --> 47:43.151 on behalf of crime victims in US history to date. 47:43.610 --> 47:46.530 [Davies] It makes me sick to my stomach that there's perpetrators out there that 47:47.281 --> 47:49.992 obviously helped him in many ways for a very long time, 47:50.075 --> 47:51.159 and they're still out there. 47:51.243 --> 47:56.081 It gives nobody justice, and it leaves a lot of unanswered questions. 47:56.832 --> 48:00.711 It's also pretty upsetting to see how many lives he's devastated, 48:00.794 --> 48:01.628 and to see... 48:02.754 --> 48:06.091 how long this went on for, and nobody did anything about it. 48:11.430 --> 48:13.515 [McCawley] It's incredibly scary to come forward 48:13.599 --> 48:15.726 against someone like Jeffrey Epstein, 48:15.809 --> 48:20.105 who's a billionaire, who has friends in very high places, 48:20.188 --> 48:23.525 who has intimidated them, who has abused them, 48:23.609 --> 48:26.737 and to stand up many years later and to say, "This was wrong, 48:26.820 --> 48:28.155 it shouldn't have happened to me, 48:28.238 --> 48:30.741 and I don't want it to happen to anybody else," 48:30.824 --> 48:32.951 is just an incredible thing to witness. 48:42.377 --> 48:43.879 [Maria Farmer] Okay, let's see. 48:45.797 --> 48:47.466 I felt completely defeated. 48:49.176 --> 48:50.802 My life was threatened. 48:51.219 --> 48:56.058 My work was threatened. My career was... jeopardized completely. 48:58.226 --> 49:02.022 I've pretty much been on a journey for 20 years of not doing my art, 49:02.105 --> 49:03.065 of not painting, 49:03.732 --> 49:05.984 and I was just trying to survive. 49:06.568 --> 49:11.490 And then I began again painting because I was tired of being afraid. 49:12.366 --> 49:15.118 I felt like I wanted to expose the monsters, 49:15.202 --> 49:17.245 and I just needed to get that out. 49:17.704 --> 49:20.582 And so this is an illustration. 49:20.666 --> 49:22.960 Basically, it's my diagram for the FBI, 49:23.043 --> 49:26.338 because I want them to see what I told them all those years ago. 49:27.339 --> 49:31.218 And it's a version of Bosch's Garden of Earthly Delights, 49:31.301 --> 49:33.887 which is basically just like Dante's Inferno, 49:34.721 --> 49:37.516 portraying Heaven, Hell, and Earth. 49:38.642 --> 49:40.811 This is our lovely Ghislaine Maxwell. 49:40.894 --> 49:43.146 She's a pill, a hard pill to swallow, 49:43.230 --> 49:45.565 and she's the property of the FBI in this drawing. 49:46.942 --> 49:50.696 I put Epstein here with his little UFO on a NASA tower 49:50.779 --> 49:53.365 because Epstein was, um... 49:54.324 --> 49:56.159 given a free ride by our government. 49:56.743 --> 49:59.871 And, um... Yeah. That's... [chuckles] 50:01.581 --> 50:02.666 That makes me angry. 50:05.627 --> 50:08.338 So I'm actually working on something new right now. 50:08.422 --> 50:11.258 I'm drawing the other Epstein survivors 50:11.341 --> 50:14.511 because it empowers me to provide them with strength. 50:14.845 --> 50:18.140 And basically it's just about strength in numbers at this stage. 50:18.223 --> 50:21.518 We really... I mean, we need each other to get through this. 50:22.769 --> 50:24.396 This is Annie, my sister, 50:24.938 --> 50:26.690 and she's holding a paper doll. 50:26.773 --> 50:28.066 What's gonna bind them together 50:28.150 --> 50:29.985 is they're gonna be holding these paper dolls, 50:30.068 --> 50:33.739 and the paper dolls represent the children who have not come forward, 50:33.822 --> 50:35.949 and we don't know what happened to them. 50:37.492 --> 50:39.786 [Annie Farmer] I think this was just one chapter in my life. 50:40.954 --> 50:46.126 For a long time, I didn't want to think about myself as a victim. 50:46.543 --> 50:50.672 And it's interesting because I've gone on to work as a therapist. 50:51.256 --> 50:54.801 I do think the fact that I had this experience has helped me 50:54.885 --> 50:57.721 to understand how people respond to certain situations, 50:57.804 --> 51:01.099 and, you know, to be the kind of therapist that I am. 51:03.435 --> 51:04.770 [Maria Farmer] This is Courtney. 51:04.853 --> 51:08.732 Courtney is very strong, and she's definitely been through a lot. 51:09.524 --> 51:11.318 And I admire her so much. 51:15.614 --> 51:18.241 [Wild] My life is definitely still a struggle 51:18.325 --> 51:20.952 for everything that I went through with Jeffrey. 51:21.453 --> 51:24.414 However, it has kind of come to an end. 51:24.498 --> 51:27.834 It's a good thing, it's a bittersweet thing, because it's over, 51:27.918 --> 51:30.879 and I can kind of work through the healing process now. 51:33.131 --> 51:34.382 And this is Michelle. 51:35.342 --> 51:38.345 Michelle has, like, a really fun spirit, I feel. 51:38.428 --> 51:41.306 She has a great sense of humor, and, also, she's beautiful, 51:41.389 --> 51:42.516 and I wanted to... 51:43.683 --> 51:45.936 depict her as I see her, so... 51:50.107 --> 51:51.441 [Licata] This isn't over. 51:51.525 --> 51:56.071 I really hope that the police, the FBI, the government... 51:56.613 --> 51:57.656 Just do your job. 51:57.739 --> 52:03.787 I go to work. I do my job every single day for the rest of my life. 52:04.037 --> 52:07.499 Uh... You're given that position and that power 52:07.582 --> 52:09.960 to make things right, to do the right thing. 52:10.043 --> 52:14.756 So do the right thing. That's it. It's plain and simple, you know? 52:15.715 --> 52:18.093 Take them down. Take everybody down. 52:21.721 --> 52:23.890 [Maria Farmer] That's Sarah. She's my favorite. 52:28.228 --> 52:29.312 I love this girl. 52:29.813 --> 52:30.856 She's precious. 52:31.857 --> 52:34.651 I feel a very special bond with her. I love her like a sister. 52:38.154 --> 52:40.073 [Ransome] I'll never get to see Jeffrey again, 52:40.740 --> 52:43.577 and I wanted him to see the woman I have become, 52:44.327 --> 52:46.079 and that he didn't break me. 52:46.663 --> 52:49.541 And I will fight till my last breath on Earth. 52:50.125 --> 52:53.211 I'm here today to tell you that it stops here, 52:53.295 --> 52:55.046 and it stops now, and I am here. 52:55.130 --> 52:57.966 My fight for the rest of my life will be to make sure 52:58.049 --> 53:01.511 that no woman will ever feel ashamed to come forward. 53:05.473 --> 53:06.600 This is Virginia. 53:08.351 --> 53:11.479 And I didn't know that Virginia used a butterfly as a symbol, 53:11.855 --> 53:16.151 which obviously makes sense, a symbol of freedom, leaving the cocoon. 53:16.234 --> 53:19.362 But I didn't know that when I drew this. I found that kind of interesting. 53:23.533 --> 53:27.287 [Giuffre] Epstein did not act alone. So my next step is... 53:27.829 --> 53:30.332 holding other people accountable. 53:30.707 --> 53:34.878 The people that were involved, the people that actually participated, 53:34.961 --> 53:37.172 there are so many of them out there. 53:38.924 --> 53:41.718 None of them have been held accountable. 53:42.844 --> 53:46.139 We were kids being trafficked under their eyes, under their nose. 53:46.223 --> 53:47.766 They knew exactly what was going on, 53:48.183 --> 53:50.185 and they didn't say anything about it. 53:50.352 --> 53:52.437 So stop worrying about saving your own hide 53:52.520 --> 53:54.439 and help us. That's all we're asking for. 53:55.190 --> 53:56.524 -Let's go! -[dog moaning happily] 53:56.608 --> 53:59.361 What are you doing in there? What are you doing? 53:59.444 --> 54:01.571 [Giuffre] The monsters are still out there, 54:01.655 --> 54:03.657 and they're still abusing other people. 54:04.532 --> 54:08.203 Why they have not been named and shamed yet... is beyond me. ose.