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[woman] Raise your hand, please.

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Do you swear the testimony 
you're about to give in this matter

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shall be the truth, whole truth,

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-and nothing but the truth?
-Yes, ma'am.

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[lawyer 1] Would you please state
your full name?

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It's Jeffrey Edward Epstein,

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and my residence address is
6100 Red Hook Boulevard

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in Virgin Islands.

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[lawyer 1] Do you maintain
any other residences presently?

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I have vacation homes in New Mexico...

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uh... Palm Beach, New York and Paris.

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[lawyer 1] Have you ever been convicted
of a crime?

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Yes.

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[lawyer 1] What was the crime
of which you were convicted?

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[stammering] Uh... Two, uh, counts.
One soliciting prostitution,

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and procuring a minor for prostitution.

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[lawyer 1] Did you in fact commit
those acts?

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I'm going to invoke
my Fifth Amendment right.

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[lawyer 1] How many times have you
solicited a minor for prostitution?

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Same answer.

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[lawyer 1] How many times have you
solicited a minor for prostitution

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-in the State of Florida?
-Same answer.

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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited a minor
for prostitution in the Virgin Islands?

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Same answer.

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[lawyer 1] That is that you are invoking
your Fifth Amendment...

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-Yes.
-...right?

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Yes, Mr. [inaudible].

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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited
for prostitution in New York?

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Same answer.

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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited
for prostitution in New Mexico?

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Same answer.

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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited
for prostitution in Paris?

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Same answer.

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[lawyer 1] Have you ever solicited a minor
for prostitution anywhere at any time?

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Again, I'm going to assert my right.

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[lawyer 2] Let's take a break.
We'll go off the record.

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[lawyer 1] So you are terminating
the deposition at this time?

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[lawyer 2]
We are recessing the deposition.

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[unintelligible dialogue]

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[police siren wailing]

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I'm Vicky Ward.

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I'm an investigative journalist.

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I wrote a story about Jeffrey Epstein
for Vanity Fair back in 2003.

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I heard about Jeffrey Epstein, actually,

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long before
I was asked to write about him

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because he was known

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as this sort of Gatsby-like
figure of mystery in New York.

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He was this single guy,

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very wealthy, very good-looking,

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and people knew
that he had made a lot of money,

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but they didn't know how.

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He claimed to be the money manager
for the uber-rich.

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People knew that he hung out
with a lot of famous people:

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Prince Andrew,

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Bill Clinton,

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a lot of famous academics,
the lawyer Alan Dershowitz,

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and that he was always surrounded
by very beautiful,

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often very young, women.

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I knew Ghislaine Maxwell,
his then supposed girlfriend.

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She was Oxford educated,

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very witty, very funny.

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She was a great connector for Jeffrey.

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Graydon Carter, who was then
the editor of Vanity Fair, said to me,

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"I've been hearing
about this guy, Jeffrey Epstein,

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for years, but no one knows
anything about him."

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And so he gave me the story.

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It was a society piece.

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It wasn't supposed to be
anything more than that.

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But right away...

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there was a red flag.

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One of my sources said,

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"I know a woman
who had a very unpleasant experience

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working with Jeffrey.

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And even worse,

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her younger sister was abused by him
when she was underage.

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Maybe they will talk to you."

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And, obviously,
this took what had primarily been

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a business investigation

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in a whole...

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different... direction.

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[woman] I began painting
my senior year of college.

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I just dedicated myself
to painting constantly.

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I looked at it like
I was an Olympic athlete,

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and I was just working all the time,
you know, training.

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And then I was just giving myself
the fresh mind every time to the canvas.

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This is my graduate school,

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the New York Academy of Art.

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I graduated in 1995,

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and the night of our graduation,
actually, you usually have an art show,

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and Eileen Guggenheim used to be
the Dean of Students,

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and she would run it.

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At this show,
I decided to enter a triptych.

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So that's three paintings,
and it was the Alice in Wonderland series.

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The show is phenomenal for me.
All three of my paintings sold right away.

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The first painting I sold for $14,000,

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and then the other two for $12,000 apiece.

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And I was really, obviously, excited,

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but Eileen then walked over to me,

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and Eileen's literally like
twisting my arm,

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and she says,
"This couple right here is

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who is going to buy your art.
Do you hear me?"

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And I said, "Well, I've already sold it."

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And she said, "That's too bad.

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You're gonna tell them that it's not sold,
and you're selling to this couple.

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They're very important
benefactors of the Academy."

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And Eileen says, "This is Jeffrey Epstein
and Ghislaine Maxwell, my dearest friends.

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And they're just completely delighted,

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and you will be selling to them,
and they will get a discount."

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And so I got 6,000
instead of 12,000 that night.

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And Jeffrey Epstein said, "Don't worry.
We'll make it worth your while.

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Don't worry."

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I didn't see or hear from Jeffrey
for a couple of months.

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And one day the phone rang,
and he said, "I have a great job for you."

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Jeffrey had just acquired this mansion
on 71st Street.

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He told me, "This is your new job.
You're going to be managing the door,

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and you're going to be managing
the people coming and going,

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the decorators, the visitors."

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One day Jeffrey Epstein said,
"I would like to know

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how many siblings you have."

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And I described that I had two sisters,

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and I told him 
that my sister Annie was very intelligent

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and has hopes and dreams
for a career, probably in Ivy League.

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[Annie Farmer] I was 16 years old,
and it was my junior year in high school.

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Maria was living in Manhattan

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and had told us
that she'd gotten a job, a great job,

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working for this man, Jeffrey Epstein,

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and that he might be interested
in helping me in some way.

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He had proposed it would be helpful for me

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to go on some kind of international trip

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to Thailand and Vietnam
in order to build up my résumé

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and to be more appealing
for a competitive school.

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He agreed that he would pay for that trip.

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At the time, it was very...

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[laughing] It seemed very expensive,
you know, so...

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um... I was just feeling
really grateful for that.

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The trip was supposed to be
that summer in July,

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and so he suggested that I come out
to meet him and Ghislaine Maxwell

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at their ranch in New Mexico.

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My mom's understanding
of what that trip would be was

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a chance for me to meet
some other students

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who would also be going
on similar trips.

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But when I got there, I realized I was
the only one there staying with them.

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They showed me around the property.

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It was part of building up
this sense of, like, look at who I am,

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look at all that I have,
be impressed by me.

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Ghislaine was very interested in whether
I had ever had a massage before,

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like a professional massage,
and I had not.

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It was really presented as, like,

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you're so lucky that you get to do this,
to, you know, get this massage.

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She told me to undress,

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and there was a table there
with a sheet on it.

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You know, a portion of it was
just pretty typical, um...

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but there was a time
when she had me lay on my back,

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and she, you know, pulled the sheet down
so that my breasts were exposed.

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Because of the layout of the house
and the doors that were open,

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I knew that Epstein could see me.

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I think the way
that she rubbed my chest in, you know,

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in the massage also was inappropriate.

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The scariest moment of the weekend was

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when he came into my bedroom
in the morning

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and said that he would like to cuddle.

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He crawled into bed with me.

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And, um... you know, was touching me,

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and I don't remember
how long that lasted

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because I was sort of checking out a bit.

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But I remember making an excuse
like I needed to go to the bathroom.

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Got out of bed,
and, like, went into the bathroom,

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and kind of shut the door, and was...

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you know, very scared
of what was going on.

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And afterwards, I just avoided it.

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I didn't tell my closest friends,
and I didn't tell Maria and my family,

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and I just thought,

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"I'm going to focus
on this trip this summer."

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And I went to Thailand and Vietnam.

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[Maria Farmer] Annie was on this program
in Thailand,

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and I received a call from Jeffrey saying
that we want to help you with your career.

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So I was asked to go do
an artist-in-residency.

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I was to go to Ohio,

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and I would be living
in this 26,000 square foot home

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behind Les Wexner's house.

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When I asked Jeffrey who Les Wexner was,

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he said, "He is my client
and my very good friend,

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who happens to be a billionaire,

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and he would do anything for me."

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So I drove a Penske truck to Ohio
because I took all of my art supplies.

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I set up shop,

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and I started painting.

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These paintings were paintings 
about puberty,

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girls partially nude,

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voyeuristic kind of private moments,

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but not sexual.

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My process is that I take photographs,
and I work from them.

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And I was using
my two sisters as the models.

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So, Jeffrey and Ghislaine
came to visit one day.

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[insects buzzing]

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[Maria] That night,
Ghislaine came and got me and said,

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"Jeffrey would like to have
his feet rubbed."

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And my stomach sank.

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I felt like, "Gosh, I don't want them
to think I'm not grateful,

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but this is so inappropriate," you know?

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And so I... [groans] rubbed his feet
for a little while...

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and he said, "Come up here."

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Then he patted over here
for me to sit next to him.

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Then Ghislaine sat down
on the other side of me.

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Jeffrey immediately was doing this.

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Like, it was really mechanical
and bizarre,

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and Ghislaine then was doing this on me.

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And then they were touching me
in different ways on my chest.

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It didn't feel right at all,
and I didn't like it.

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I kind of had like, you know, some tears,

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and she goes, "Shh, it's gonna be okay."

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And she was like really
with her other hand, like,

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rubbing on my hand

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and telling me
that it was going to be okay.

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I had escaped my body at that point.

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I wasn't really in that moment at all.

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And at some point,

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I was able to like
catapult my body out of that bed.

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I went to my room,
and I barricaded my door.

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I put a piece of furniture against it.

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Just kind of huddled up in that room

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until Jeffrey and Ghislaine left
that morning.

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When I woke up, I went and checked to see

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if my photographs of my sisters
were there,

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and realized
three photographs had been stolen.

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And I was freaking out.

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So, I called Annie.

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[Annie] My sister confronted me about
whether anything had happened to me

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when I was at the ranch.

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I told her things that had made me
really uncomfortable had happened,

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but I really don't want to talk about it.

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[Maria] I said, "Listen, you're never
going to have to deal with them again.

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Do not worry.

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I am so sorry you were exposed to this."

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It was just a very uncomfortable feeling
to know that he had these photos of us,

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and...

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in particular of my younger sister

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because she was just 12
when those photos were taken.

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And...

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it was just so...

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um...

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It was just upsetting to know
that he had those photos,

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and to never know what happened to them
or how he was using them.

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He could be using them
to sexually please himself.

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[Maria] So the next day,
Jeffrey called me,

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and he tried to pretend like

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it was a really fun time he'd had
the night before,

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and he tried
to kind of play it off like that.

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And I said, "That wasn't fun for me."

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And then he offered to give me
basically what I wanted

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to not make a stink about everything,
just, "What do you want?"

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Like, "How much money do you want?
What can I do for you?"

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Um...

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And I s... I didn't say anything.
I hung up on him.

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When I got back to New York City,

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I told the NYPD
everything that had happened.

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I told them I'd been assaulted.
And they said,

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"It's just not in our jurisdiction.
Like, we have nothing to do with this.

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These things happened in Ohio,
New Mexico.

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You're gonna have to call the FBI."

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When I called the FBI,
I laid it out very specifically.

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I said, "I'm reporting these people:

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Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell."

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I told them everything,
and I could tell that he believed me.

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So, I really had believed
that he was going to take care of this.

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And then we just actually
did not hear back.

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[Vicky Ward] Because these sisters
had been ignored for so long,

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they were very, very frightened
of going on the record,

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speaking up about
what Jeffrey would do to them.

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Part of them, understandably,

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just thought they could never fight 
against a man of his power.

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We proceed,
very reluctantly after a family decision,

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um... that we're going to do this thing.
We're going to talk about this.

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[Ward] I spoke to the younger sister,

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who was molested by him

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and lived in fear.

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[Annie] So, after we had presented
our story to Vicky,

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then Vanity Fair had to take this account
to Epstein

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to essentially fact-check it and get
his perspective and his side of things.

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And when they did that,
he came back with his own story,

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which was we were in fact
women that were infatuated with him.

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And that's what this was coming out of.
It was,

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you know,
revenge for that being unrequited.

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[Ward] He would say,
"Well, Vicky, if I don't like this piece,

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it's going to be bad for you
and your family."

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And I was newly pregnant with twins.

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He said, "Where are you giving birth?"

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He followed that up with,

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"I know all the doctors
in all the hospitals,

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so it doesn't matter.
If you don't tell me, I'll find out.

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If I don't like this piece,

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I'm going to have a witch doctor
place a curse on your unborn children."

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He was beginning to spook me out,
and these are just conversations.

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So I could only imagine

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how the women must have felt.

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I got a phone call from Graydon.

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He was pretty spooked because he'd found
a severed cat head in his garden.

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He also found a bullet on his doorstep.

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And then suddenly, I was told by my editor

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that the girls
were being taken out of the story.

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I was horrified. I said,
"Why? They've been so brave.

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They've laid so much on the line. Why?"

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And the message came back,

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"Well, he's obviously sensitive
about the girls. That's a sore point."

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I'll never forget
Graydon Carter saying to me,

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"I believe Jeffrey Epstein."

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[Annie] I remember buying
the copy of Vanity Fair

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and seeing the spread, you know,
"The Talented Mr. Epstein."

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And it said nothing
about any of his interest in girls.

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I think that Vanity Fair basically
got bought off by Jeffrey.

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The excuse was,
"Well, it's a business story."

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It was a business story,
but, just like life,

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the story was more complicated,
far more complicated.

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I cried in public. [laughs]

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Um...

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You know,

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so much work,

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so much bravery,

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and for what?

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[Annie] It seemed it was more evidence
of the fact that he was powerful,

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and he could fix whatever thing came up.

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[Ward]
Jeffrey Epstein is the ultimate story

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of the abuse of power and money.

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But, of course, what none of us knew was
that the girls who I'd spoken to

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were only the tip...

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of the iceberg.

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And it actually got even worse in Florida.

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[sinister music]

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[man 1] Jeffrey Epstein bought
his Palm Beach mansion in 1990.

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Epstein was new money.

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He didn't have generations
of growing up there,

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sailing in the Intracoastal Waterway...

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but he had tons of new money.

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And if you have enough money,
you can buy your way in to any society.

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There are things that have been true
about Palm Beach since I was a kid.

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Some of the protectiveness,
some of the clannishness...

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It's definitely a very insular world.

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There is almost a hermetic seal around it.

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It's not just
an extremely wealthy zip code.

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It's an island.

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And I think that...

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it almost has a psychological effect
on the very wealthy people who move there,

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or who have grown up there,

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or whose fathers or grandfathers
bought estates there,

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because there's a sense of security,
and safety, and privacy,

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and they like it that way.

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[man 2] Epstein and I
essentially were neighbors.

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And why would
Jeffrey Epstein... come here?

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You know, here it is.

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I mean, you're on the ocean.

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It's quiet and secluded.

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I came down here in 2007,

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and back then, there was very little known
about Jeffrey Epstein.

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What people knew about him was
that he was stunningly rich.

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The guy was living a life
that most people dream about.

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He had a 15 to 20 million dollar house
here in Palm Beach.

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He had one of the largest townhouses
in New York City,

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a massive apartment in Paris,

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his own private island in the Caribbean,

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a sprawling ranch in New Mexico,

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a helicopter,

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two airplanes, one a 727.

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[airplane engine roaring]

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That's the commercial side of the airport

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there where all the JetBlue
and everyone else lands.

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But the west side of the airport is
where all the private jets are.

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And that's where Jeffrey parked his jets.

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I was a reporter here for 25 years.
I also lived over in Palm Beach.

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Covered the Epstein case extensively.
This guy was a bit of a ghost down here.

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Nobody really saw him. Nobody knew him.

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In the '80s,
he hit it out of the ballpark.

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A lot of powerful men liked him
and trusted him to handle his money.

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Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump,
they were both wealthy guys from New York,

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and they both ended up living a mile apart
along billionaire's row in Palm Beach.

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They knew each other.
Epstein frequented Mar-a-Lago for a time.

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There's now a widely circulated quote
from Donald Trump,

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which he probably would like
to reel back in,

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"I've known Jeff for 15 years.
Terrific guy.

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It is even said that he likes
beautiful women as much as I do,

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and many of them are on the younger side."

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[Carl Hiaasen] Palm Beach is
a very small town.

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It's almost impossible to conceive
living there and moving in that world

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and not hearing rumors about Epstein

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or not being aware of something odd
going on at Jeff's place.

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[engine starting]

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I'm Michael Reiter.
I've been here 38 years,

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on the Palm Beach Police Department
for 28,

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and I was Police Chief in Palm Beach
from 2001 through 2009.

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I first met Jeffrey Epstein
somewhere around 2001.

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Epstein visited me in my office

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to talk about making a donation
of equipment to the police department,

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which was nearly $100,000.

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It was a brief visit.
It was just a little bit of chit-chat.

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My impression was that he was
just a wealthy, very private guy.

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Nearly two years later,

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we received reports from his neighbors

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that there was
a large number of young women

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going to and from his residence.

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We thought, "That's suspicious."

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We sent personnel to stop them

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and interview them.

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They were all adults,
the three or four that we talked to,

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and they said that they were simply doing
office work for Mr. Epstein.

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Since they were all adults,

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there didn't seem to be
any further police interest.

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Then in 2005,

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the parent of a young girl
called the police station.

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[dial tone]

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[dialing numbers]

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[telephone ringing]

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-[Pagan] Hello?
-[stepmother] Hi, how are you?

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[Pagan] I'm good. I'm returning your call,
I apologize. I don't know what for.

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[stepmother] It's okay.
It was an incident that occurred

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maybe three and a half weeks ago
with one of my stepdaughters.

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One day at school, she got into a fight,
and she had over $300 on her.

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So after asking her and asking her
what was going on,

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I found out that it ended up being that

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they went to Palm Beach
to a gentleman's house.

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And they start off
by giving this gentleman a massage.

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And he pays them.

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If he likes them
and thinks that they're pretty enough,

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-he keeps them around to do other things.
-[Pagan] Okay.

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[stepmother] So I wasn't quite sure 
if there was an investigation

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or if you guys had any word--

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[Pagan] Well, this is the first
I'm hearing of it.

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-[stepmother] Okay.
-[Pagan] I'll need some more information.

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Would your stepdaughter
be willing to come in

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to provide me with a statement?

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[Michael Reiter] When a juvenile reports

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that they have been a victim
of a sex crime to the police department,

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we immediately take that very seriously.

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The parent was asked to bring the victim
into the police station.

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A detective conducted an interview.

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Immediately upon, uh...
that victim's report to us,

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which we found very credible,
we launched an investigation. 

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The very first victim was
about 14 years old at that time.

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We were able, from the interview,
to figure out exactly where the house was.

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From the description the victim provided,
it was clear that it was Mr. Epstein.

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The case was assigned
to our special investigations unit

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partly because of the nature of the crime,

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and partly because Mr. Epstein was
a powerful, influential person.

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Joe Recarey was
the lead investigator of the case.

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Unfortunately, Joe Recarey passed away
a few years ago,

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but at the time, he believed
there were other victims.

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So he began contacting them

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and listening to their stories.

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[Recarey] I appreciate you coming down
to talk to me.

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-You're not in any trouble.
-[Stephanie] Okay.

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[Recarey] I want to put that out there
right now.

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-How did you meet Mr. Epstein?
-[Stephanie] Through a friend.

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[Joyce] It was like two years ago or so.

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[Recarey] About two years ago?
That's when you first met him?

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[Joyce] Yeah. Yeah.

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-[Recarey] You were 17 then?
-[Sharon] Mm-hmm.

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[Recarey] What is it that you were told
you would have to do?

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-[Sharon] Give him a massage.
-[Recarey] Okay.

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[Recarey] During the massage,
did he... um...

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ask you to remove your pants or...

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[Heather] Yes.

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[Reiter] Every victim told
essentially the same story.

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They thought
that they would give him a massage.

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That's what most of them were told.

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That's what lured them there
for a small amount of money.

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[Recarey] What else happened
when you were providing the massage?

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[Susan] He took the towel off,
and he started pleasing himself,

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which I was very uncomfortable with.

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-I wanted to leave right when I got there.
-[Recarey] Okay.

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[Reiter] Our biggest concern was
that the victimization not to continue.

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That's why
we started surveillance right away.

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We surveilled the airport...

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[camera shutter clicking]

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[Reiter] ...the house.

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[camera shutter clicking]

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[Reiter] As we found additional victims,

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one victim would tell us about others,

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those others would tell us about others,
and it began to multiply geometrically.

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[Recarey] Okay. First of all,
I know this is hard on you, okay?

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Just take a deep breath.

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[Heather sighs] I'm trying. It's just...

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I wasn't aware that I was going to be
alone with him for that ten minutes.

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And I thought I was gonna die.

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[Recarey] Did you have intercourse
with him?

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-[Susan quietly] Yes.
-[Recarey] Okay.

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[Reiter]
After two or three months,

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we feared that this involved
a really large number of victims.

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[Recarey] Can you raise your right hand?
Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth,

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the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth,

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-so help you God?
-[Michelle Licata] I do.

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-[Recarey] State your name for the record.
-Michelle Licata.

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I found the calendar
from December 2004...

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the month that I met Jeffrey Epstein.

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I wrote down my first party
that I'd ever been to,

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talked to a boy
'til three o’clock in the morning.

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And then right before Christmas,
that's the weekend that everything changed

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in my entire life.

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[Recarey] All right. In your own words,

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tell me exactly
how you were introduced to this gentleman

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by the name of Jeffrey
in, uh... Palm Beach.

29:48.912 --> 29:52.040
[Licata] Um... My friend told me
in class that...

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she could find a way of making money
for Christmas.

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I didn't really know
what she was talking about,

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but I was like, "Okay."

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[Licata] I was a good kid.

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I always thought
that my life was just ordinary.

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I had seven kids in my family.

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-[male teacher] Michelle Licata.
-[applause]

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[Licata] I was really good in school.

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I had a lot of friends.

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[cheering]

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[Licata] In cheerleading,

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I got the Spirit Award.

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[crowd cheering]

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[Licata] Just a normal teenage girl.

30:28.993 --> 30:30.495
[woman] And what are we gonna do?

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We're gonna shop!

30:32.330 --> 30:33.289
[woman laughing]

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[Licata] One day, this girl wrote me
a note in class that said,

30:38.211 --> 30:42.340
"Do you want to make some extra money
massaging old guys?"

30:42.423 --> 30:45.593
And I was like,
"Okay, that seems weird. But okay."

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[Licata] She said to just go
to this old guy's house

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and just massage him for 45 minutes,
and you'll get like $200.

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-[Recarey] Okay. How old were you?
-[Licata] Sixteen.

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[Recarey] Okay.

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[Licata] We're driving probably
like a good 45-minute ride.

31:06.197 --> 31:11.160
We pulled into a big,
expensive-looking mansion.

31:12.078 --> 31:14.205
Before we got out of the car, she said,

31:14.289 --> 31:18.084
"Okay, so if anybody asks,
uh, you're over the age of 18,

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but I don't think anybody is going to ask,
just if they do."

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I was only there
for like maybe a minute or two,

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and then he walked in.

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He laid down on his stomach.

31:33.516 --> 31:35.935
He said,
"Okay, there's some lotions over there

31:36.019 --> 31:40.106
if you wanted to start massaging my feet
and my legs."

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He flipped over, and he was talking to me
about, uh, the way that I looked.

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He was telling me how beautiful I was.

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I never thought
I was the pretty girl in high school.

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I had braces,

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and for somebody to be
pointing the spotlight at me,

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it was like,
"Okay, he's giving me compliments.

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I never thought of myself that way."

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And then he kind of was like...

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grabbing my hip
and kind of like maneuvering it

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so that he could look at me.

32:16.559 --> 32:20.855
He was telling me to take off
my shirt and pants.

32:21.272 --> 32:23.858
He's like,
"You can get down into your underwear."

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You know, you start thinking, "Okay. So...

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if I try to leave or be like,

32:29.906 --> 32:33.451
'Uh, no, we're not going to do this,'
you know...

32:34.118 --> 32:35.328
how would you leave?

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Like, is there a gun hidden somewhere,

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like, he was going to pull out?"

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As a young girl, you just do...

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Because he's an adult,
you just do what someone asks you to do.

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[Licata] And then he sort of grabbed
my thighs, and he was...

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jacking himself off at the same time.

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He just tried, like,
rubbing me down there.

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[Recarey] Okay.

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[inhales deeply] And...

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[stammering] th... that was where
I started freaking out completely.

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I was like...
[sighing] "Okay, okay...

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Can we just get this over with?

33:18.788 --> 33:22.917
This is just so unreal.
This is not happening."

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He just looked like a scary sicko

33:27.505 --> 33:28.965
in my mind, like...

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He just looked like... [stammers]

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[stammering] I just still have
the vision of his face.

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[Licata] I backed away, and I said,
"Well, I don't know if I should do that."

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And I freaked.

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I was very hesitant and so scared.

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[Recarey] As I told you before
and I explained to your mom,

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what he did was wrong, okay?

33:54.490 --> 33:56.033
-[Licata] Okay.
-[Recarey] Um...

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[Recarey] I want to reassure you
on that, okay?

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[Licata] When he was done,

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he wrapped himself up in a towel,
and he said, "There's 200 for you.

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I would really like to see you again."

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And I was like... [inhales deeply]

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"Okay, okay."
In the back of my mind, I was like,

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"I am not ever coming back here
ever again."

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And I just went downstairs,

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and I felt so used.

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I felt so used, like it was...
I was just like this dirty person.

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Before Epstein, I was...

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[exhales shakily]

34:44.248 --> 34:45.583
[voice breaking] I was...

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I was...

34:50.671 --> 34:52.590
[sobbing] something else.

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The way I saw myself... [inhales sharply]

35:03.392 --> 35:04.977
a long time ago...

35:05.728 --> 35:07.105
[sobbing] ...I was, like...

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like this flower.

35:10.942 --> 35:14.320
A flower that was, like, opening up.

35:15.363 --> 35:18.241
And afterwards, it was...

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[inhales sharply] ...like somebody just...

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picked up that flower... [sniffles]

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...plucked it from its roots,
and stomped on it and smashed it.

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[sniffles]

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[Recarey] I know this
is difficult for you,

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and I know it was difficult for you
to talk to me today.

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Is there anything else you'd like to add
to this statement?

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[Licata] No.

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[Recarey] Okay.
Then I conclude this statement.

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The time on my watch is 5:25 p.m.

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[tape player clicks]

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[sinister music]

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[Hiaasen] Many of the girls
were brought across the bridge

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from the mainland,
which is West Palm Beach.

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And it's a whole different world
when you cross the bridges.

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Parts of West Palm Beach are like

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a lot of other communities along
the Gold Coast where it's working class.

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It's not necessarily high end at all.

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It's a real world.

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To think what it must have been like
to come from modest means,

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and in some cases
broken homes, troubled homes.

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Palm Beach is like Oz.

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[chuckling] If you live in West Palm,
that's just not a world you experience.

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My name is Shawna Rivera.
This is the house that I grew up in.

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This is where usually
we would sit out here.

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We had a big hammock on the patio.

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This room was my room.

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The time that I first met Jeff,
my girlfriend came over here to, um...

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to take me with her to Jeff's, right?

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Like right after this street here...

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there's a trailer park, there's a canal
and then there's a trailer park,

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and so she walked over here...

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and convinced me to go with her.

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I didn't have a good childhood.

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I was a runaway for two years.

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My mom used drugs pretty heavily
most of my life.

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My dad went to prison when I was three.

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And when I was ten,
my dad got out of prison.

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At some point, my dad had a girlfriend...

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who had some kids,

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and the kids had clearly been abused
prior to this.

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And I would say it was like a week or so
after my 12th birthday,

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my dad and his girlfriend beat her son,
her eight-year-old son, to death...

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[inhales deeply] Um...

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In front of me.

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And so I, um...

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[clears throat] ...ran away from home.

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I lived in, like, shelter homes.

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Finally, my grandma
was able to get custody of me.

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I was 14 years old
when I met Jeffrey Epstein.

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My girlfriend, she's like,
"Shawna, I'm going to this guy's house.

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I can't go by myself. I just can't do it.
I just need you to come with me."

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I was just like, "All right. Fine."

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I didn't know what was going to happen.
I just went along with it.

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Once you get over the bridge
into Palm Beach, you see yachts

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and all these huge mansions.

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This is like

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not something I'm familiar with.

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We walk into the back,
and there's this girl.

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She's young

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with an accent. I don't know her.

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She's familiar with my friend.
"Hi. Hi. Hi."

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We walk into this room,

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and this dude walked in.

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I remember thinking he was kind of rude.

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He says, "Oh, hey. Hi."

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He's, like, on the phone,

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and he, like, lays down.

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So then my girlfriend tells me,
"We're just going to give him a massage."

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And she said, "Oh, well,
we have to take our clothes off."

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And I'm like...

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"I have to take my clothes off?"

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And she says, "Yeah, we have... We both...

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We both have to take our clothes off.
All of them."

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So you have me
and my 14-year-old girlfriend

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totally naked,
and I'm giving this old man a massage.

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But then my girlfriend says,
"Well, I'm going to go."

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And I'm like, "What the fuck are you doing
leaving me here?" Like, "Why?"

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I couldn't believe
she was walking out of there.

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Then this guy,
he asked me how old I was...

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and I remember telling him
that I was 15 years old,

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and I was actually 14 years old.

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That didn't scare him.

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[inhales deeply] It was kind of, like,
"Oh, okay. You're 15. Okay."

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Then he turned over... [sniffles]

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...and he wanted me to rub the lotion

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that we were using,
like, all over his chest. [sniffles]

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And he told me to just grab his nipples

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and squeeze and pinch as hard as I could.

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[sniffles]

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And I just, like,

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I just remember standing there
and just being, like...

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"What is going on? This is so weird."

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I just couldn't wrap my head around it.
I was like, "What the fuck is this?"

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I'm 14 years old.

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I'm a virgin.

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It just went on like that
for a couple of minutes,

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and he finished...

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and there was money sitting there.

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He told me to go ahead
and pick up the money.

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So I just got dressed,
and I walked out and left.

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I was so embarrassed.

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I didn't know how to say, like,
"No, I don't... I don't want to do that."

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I don't know how long it was after
the first time I had gone over there...

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but I... one day,
I got a phone call at my house.

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They called me a cab to take me to Jeff's.

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There was no explanation.
There was just, "Take the cab to Jeff's."

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I assumed if I went back...

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I would get more money.

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I mean, I didn't have any money.

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I didn't have a family like that.

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I just...

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didn't know how to handle it, you know.

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So, I think I kind of went
into this kind of like...

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pilot mode kind of situation, 
where I just...

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[inhales deeply]

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...tried to, like, get through it
and just go home.

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I couldn't say, "This isn't right."

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I couldn't say, "This isn't normal."

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I couldn't say, like,
"This is a sick man."

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And it was probably
for like three or four years

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I continued to go.

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[woman] I'm an educational psychologist
and mental health counselor.

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I've worked with many victims
of sexual trauma.

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And the first thought that I had when
reading about the Jeffrey Epstein... case

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is that he targeted girls
that were so vulnerable.

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Um, and this is something
that most sexual predators do.

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The first step in the grooming process
is spotting a vulnerable victim,

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someone who is financially disadvantaged

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or that already have
some sexual trauma in their past.

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Sexual predators like Jeffrey Epstein
have an eye for picking out someone

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who is in need of something,

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and they identify that need,
and then they exploit it.

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When you're pairing a teenage girl

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with a brilliant, 
narcissistic billionaire,

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their adolescent brain was not equipped

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to understand or react
to what was happening.

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[Reiter] We were frustrated that,
while some people were cooperative,

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most of the victims did not want
to prosecute for fear of Jeffrey Epstein.

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They knew that Mr. Epstein was

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a powerful, influential,
very wealthy person.

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So they were very reluctant.

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And so we decided to talk
to some of his employees.

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[telephone ringing]

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-[Recarey] Good morning, Mr. Alessi?
-Yes, speaking.

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Hi. This is Detective Joe Recarey
with Palm Beach Police.

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I'm investigating a case
against, uh, a former employer of yours,

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Jeffrey Epstein.

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[Alessi] This is something

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that I really would not like
to be involved,

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-if I'm not involved with it.
-[Recarey] I understand that,

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but you may hold some information
which would assist me in this case.

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[Alessi] But I don't want to get
in trouble or...

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I don't want to get sued
by Mr. Epstein or by his company.

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[telephone ringing]

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[Recarey] You are Alfredo Rodriguez,
correct?

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-[Rodriguez] Yes, that's me.
-[Recarey] Okay.

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I just wanted to touch base with a case
that I'm investigating

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involving Mr. Epstein.

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[Rodriguez] Okay.

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[Recarey] My main concern, obviously, is

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the girls that come over to work for him.

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[Rodriguez] Okay.

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[Recarey] What can you tell me about that?

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[Rodriguez] He has a lot of masseuses.

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He has a list of favorite, uh...
female personnel

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to give him massage, you know.

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So he gets massage in the morning,
massage in the afternoon.

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They were very private, sir, you know.

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So I didn't know
what went on behind closed doors.

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It was my job to keep everything discreet.

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So...

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[Recarey] Would you
say these girls were young?

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[Rodriguez] Um...

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Oof, you put me on the spot, sir.

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[Reiter] Every part of this case
was an uphill battle.

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His employees didn't want to cooperate,

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so we went through the trash at his home.

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In one case,
we found a school report card

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for one of the victims.

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And in another case,
we learned that he sent a messenger

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to the school to provide flowers 
to the victim

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who had been part of a performance there.

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[James Patterson] West Palm Beach
has dozens of high schools

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and middle schools.

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Thousands and thousands of kids.
Some private schools out there.

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All these schools became a hunting ground
for this predator.

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[woman] I think at 16, 17,
when you're in high school,

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I think we're all vulnerable.

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This is Royal Palm Beach High School.
This is where we went to high school.

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Not the happiest moment in my life.

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My name is Haley Robson,
and I was 16 when I met Jeffrey Epstein.

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Growing up in West Palm Beach,
I had a big family, lots of cousins.

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I have two sisters.

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My dad was a police officer.
My mom worked in banking.

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I love horses.

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I started riding when I was 11.

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Couple years later, I got competitive.

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This was probably
the most happy time of my life.

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But I had gone through
a traumatic experience

47:11.662 --> 47:13.163
before I met Jeffrey Epstein.

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The summer before I turned 16,

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I was raped.

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[clears throat]
It was my first experience with a man.

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He was 21.

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I just closed up.

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Um... I started using drugs.
I was drinking all the time, smoking weed.

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I just kind of wanted to just vanish,
just disappear.

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The girl that introduced me
to Jeffrey Epstein

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went to High School with me.

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She said, "I know this guy and he would
give me $200 just to give him a massage."

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And my first immediate reaction
or thought that came to my mind was

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"This is my ticket out of West Palm.
This is my way out."

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We drove to Palm Beach island...

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and we actually walked in...
It wasn't the front door.

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It was almost like this side door
that led into the kitchen.

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I remember we walked up a flight of stairs
that kind of curved.

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And the first thing that I noticed,
because it was so distracting,

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was the wall art.

48:20.272 --> 48:21.732
A lot of nudity.

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Naked statues, naked pictures.

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It made me feel uncomfortable...

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and then I saw, like,
a photograph of kids.

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It wasn't normal.

48:35.287 --> 48:37.581
The massage began as a massage,

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then he turned over.

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He was naked on the table.

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And I just remember feeling really scared.

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It just brought up a lot of bad...

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emotions.

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[Recarey] Did he touch you?

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[Haley Robson]
Yeah, in inappropriate places.

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[Recarey] Does he use his hands?

48:58.185 --> 49:02.064
[Robson] He uses his hand,
and I guess it's like a vibrator.

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But, um...

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I refused to do that.

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He tried to touch me below the belt.

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I declined.

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Um, I told him I didn't feel comfortable.
"No, it's not going to happen."

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At that moment, he was offering me,

49:21.500 --> 49:24.294
"Okay. Well,
this isn't going to happen, so...

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just if you have any friends,

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if you bring them to me,
I'll give you $200."

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-[Recarey] Just to bring a girl?
-[Robson] Yeah.

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[Recarey] The girl that was going
knew she would have to massage him.

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[Robson] She knew everything.

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[Recarey] How long
have you been working for him?

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[Robson] I probably worked for him
for a year.

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I probably recruited...

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maybe 24 girls.

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[Robson] Those girls brought
other girls, too.

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-[Recarey] Okay.
-[Robson] So, it's like a train.

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[Recarey] Who else was underage?

49:56.034 --> 49:56.868
[Robson] Under 18?

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-All of them.
-[Recarey] All of them?

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[Robson] All of them.

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[Robson] I would recruit girls
that were friends.

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I would just casually bring it up.

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And we would drive together to his house.

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I would take them to the room.
And then I would walk out.

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Sometimes I would wait out by the pool.

50:17.431 --> 50:20.934
When the girls would leave,
Jeffrey would come outside to pay me.

50:22.436 --> 50:26.440
He would say, you know, "How are you?
How is everything? How's your family?"

50:26.523 --> 50:29.818
He wanted you to think he was a friend
and that he cared.

50:32.571 --> 50:34.948
[Recarey] All right,
I talked to my boss for a little bit.

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-[Frick] Which is why I'm here.
-[Robson] Okay.

50:37.367 --> 50:38.702
[Frick] Um... [sniffles]

50:38.785 --> 50:39.828
[groans]

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At this point, you've clearly
implicated yourself in a crime.

50:42.998 --> 50:45.917
Okay? You've taken girls
to somebody's house

50:46.001 --> 50:47.669
for the purpose of prostitution.

50:47.753 --> 50:51.298
More importantly, and more significantly,
one of those girls was 14 at the time.

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Okay? Now that's a pretty significant
second-degree felony.

50:56.887 --> 51:01.558
I remember them being really tough on me,
and I think at one point I started crying.

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And I remember feeling really scared.

51:04.060 --> 51:08.440
And they treated me like
I was his right-hand man.

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But what about the girl that recruited me?

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What happened to her? What about the girl
that recruited the girl that recruited me?

51:17.866 --> 51:21.036
I feel like I've been putting
the blame on myself for so long,

51:21.787 --> 51:24.956
bashing myself,
and just being hard on myself,

51:25.707 --> 51:29.044
but I shouldn't feel guilty about it
because I was 16...

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and he's the adult,

51:31.505 --> 51:33.173
and he should not...

51:33.965 --> 51:35.383
make me feel...

51:36.218 --> 51:37.219
guilty.

51:37.302 --> 51:41.223
[sobbing] I've never said...
Never ever come forward like this.

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It just, like, brings up,
like, so many emotions.

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[Dr. Kathryn Stamoulis] The girls
that are recruiting the other girls

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are definitely victims of Jeffrey Epstein.

51:59.282 --> 52:01.993
They were manipulated in a unique way.

52:03.495 --> 52:06.957
They were made to feel special,

52:07.040 --> 52:11.336
and they were also offered opportunities

52:11.670 --> 52:16.758
that could get them
out of their life circumstances.

52:16.842 --> 52:20.887
And the added bonus that
they didn't have to do anything sexual

52:20.971 --> 52:22.639
with this middle-aged man.

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This is how Jeffrey Epstein created
a sexual pyramid scheme.

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[Reiter]
After months of our investigation,

52:39.656 --> 52:44.119
we realized that this was a way of life
for Mr. Epstein,

52:44.995 --> 52:48.498
and I believe he felt
that he would never be caught.

52:50.333 --> 52:55.547
And so it was very important for us
to get inside of Mr. Epstein's home,

52:55.630 --> 52:58.758
because we wanted to see
if there was additional evidence

52:58.842 --> 53:02.846
and to validate the information
given to us by the victims.

53:05.015 --> 53:06.516
But we had to be very careful.

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We did not want to reveal to Mr. Epstein
that he was being investigated

53:11.354 --> 53:13.481
until we had an airtight case.

53:14.983 --> 53:17.319
Finally, seven months into the case,

53:17.652 --> 53:21.448
we felt as though that was the time
to execute the search warrant.

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[Recarey] This is a complete description
of the residence desired to be searched,

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including the curtilage attached thereof.

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I will leave a list
of what items we're taking.

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[Reiter] We were extremely surprised
at what we found inside Epstein's house.

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extremely surprised
at what we found inside Epstein's house.